FlytrapCare Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 (edited) We germinated quite a few Mirror x Mirror seedlings last year in tissue culture (in vitro). A few of them have the flanges of the mother plant 'Mirror' and some of them, like the seedling featured in the photos below, takes this "flanging" characteristic to the next level! On the seedling in the photos below, the flanging almost always occurs on both sides of the trap and on every trap. In comparison, 'Mirror' seems to only produce the flanges periodically and, at times, infrequently. Anyway, on to the photos! Sorry for the few traps and unattractive plant...it was very recently repotted. And we're currently accepting suggestions for a name :) FTS Three-Headed Monster? Cerberus is already taken, unfortunately. Ghidorah is another option. Chimera? What you got? Edited October 22, 2013 by mmlr38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entwadumela Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Naga A Naga is a God or other powerful entity that takes the form of a snake. The Naga sometimes has multiple heads, including three-headed forms. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowii Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 No idea about a name, but this clone looks really awesome. I hope it will remain its features! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Salter Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Medusa maybe, I think it is another name for chimera. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prized Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 (edited) It is almost the same of Mirror, but, if traps stay like this all over the year and are only like these, like you say, it would be a perfect remake of that clone! Much more better than Mirror, so, well done!! Edited October 22, 2013 by prized 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Mirror x Mirror (on the wall)... "Snow White" 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Silverman93 Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 How about 'Hydra'? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Silverman93 Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Mirror x Mirror (on the wall)... "Snow White" oh that is very clever! I like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peabody Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Chernobyl. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlytrapCare Posted October 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Thanks for the feedback everyone and I love the naming suggestions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel van den Broek Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Broken Mirror 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 How about "Zaphod" after the 3 headed guy in the Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Gallaxy, Zaphod Beeblebrox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaphod_Beeblebrox 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peabody Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Hedgehog. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peabody Posted October 22, 2013 Report Share Posted October 22, 2013 Monsanto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defalotus Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 I second Hydra. Its the first thing I thought when I looked at the pics. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North West Neps Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) Dionaea Muscipula Mutante Oh no wait, there's already one of them. Seems there's going to be many more though. Edited October 23, 2013 by Welshy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werds Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Airavata(three-headed white elephant said to carry the Indian God Indra) ,Bael(a demon), Mercurius(a dragon : the heads represent Mercury,the moon and the sun.) Just my 3 opinions for a name, hope you like it :) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantrid Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 Its a promising development but you only show two traps with these characteristics, the other traps are typical mirror traps. If this is the only plant you have showing these traps its a bit premature to get excited. You need to clone this plant and observe the frequency of the new type of trap on them over a period of time before passing this off as something significantly different to mirror. As a "mirror" plant could also produce these traps on occassions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlytrapCare Posted October 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 Its a promising development but you only show two traps with these characteristics, the other traps are typical mirror traps. Did you look at all of the photos? All 4 of the mature traps have flanges on both sides, and even the newly forming ones too (looking closely you can see the flanges developing). And there was one dead trap that I cut off before taking the photos that had flanges on both sides as well. And I have a couple of other plants that I believe to be the same clone (when I deflasked them from tissue culture, I didn't keep track of individuals) that also have all traps showing the flanging on both sides and have had them on every trap produced all growing season. If this is the only plant you have showing these traps its a bit premature to get excited. You need to clone this plant and observe the frequency of the new type of trap on them over a period of time before passing this off as something significantly different to mirror. I'm not really a novice when it comes to looking over and selecting flytraps worthy of distributing The plant shown here is not yet offered for distribution, but rather a plant that looks exceptionally promising after regularly and repeatedly producing flanges on both sides of all traps all year long and I just wanted to share some photos with the community. I currently have 3 plants that are all showing this characteristic (likely the same plant), and have done so all season since being deflasked from tissue culture over the winter. The plan is to observe these plants again next growing season while getting them in tissue culture and propagate it next year and see if it is, in fact, worth distributing. I'm quite cautious and discriminating when it comes to selecting and naming new flytraps for distribution. As a "mirror" plant could also produce these traps on occassions Yes, Mirror does occasionally produce flanges on both sides (see below photo): But I've never seen 'Mirror' produce them on every trap like the plant in the photos in the first post here does; hence the excitement! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy Posted October 25, 2013 Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 To get back to the naming of the plant... Following on from Carl's 'Snow White' and the look of the plant in the the last picture..Perhaps "Wicked Queen" It's a name that would stand out 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy Posted October 25, 2013 Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 Böse Königin ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantrid Posted October 25, 2013 Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 Did you look at all of the photos? All 4 of the mature traps have flanges on both sides, and even the newly forming ones too (looking closely you can see the flanges developing). And there was one dead trap that I cut off before taking the photos that had flanges on both sides as well. ha flanges on both sides, I thought the characteristic was full size flanges. Even more uncertainty then as it would not be difficult to find a specimen of "mirror" with four traps with double flanges And I have a couple of other plants that I believe to be the same clone (when I deflasked them from tissue culture, I didn't keep track of individuals) that also have all traps showing the flanging on both sides and have had them on every trap produced all growing season. If you did not keep accurate records then the right thing to do is to assume they are not the same. To do anything else is going to result in uncertainty if you do eventually distribute them. The plant shown here is not yet offered for distribution, but rather a plant that looks exceptionally promising after regularly and repeatedly producing flanges on both sides of all traps all year long and I just wanted to share some photos with the community. Do you have photos of it at other times with these traps? You should keep evidence so that others can confirm your observations and to eliminate bias on your part and doubt Ion the part of others. I currently have 3 plants that are all showing this characteristic (likely the same plant), and have done so all season since being deflasked from tissue culture over the winter. 'likely' isn't really sufficient. If there is any uncertainty then you should assume they are not the same. The plan is to observe these plants again next growing season while getting them in tissue culture and propagate it next year and see if it is, in fact, worth distributing. I'm quite cautious and discriminating when it comes to selecting and naming new flytraps for distribution. Its a good plan. fingers crossed that you have something that's better than "mirror" which I don't really like as I'm suspicious about these varieties that don't produce the characteristics on every trap all the time. Like that funnel trap which I personally believe is a temporary condition that has been chemically induced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlytrapCare Posted October 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 ha flanges on both sides, I thought the characteristic was full size flanges. Even more uncertainty then as it would not be difficult to find a specimen of "mirror" with four traps with double flanges Really? I grow several hundred Mirror now, perhaps nearing 1000 specimens. I can't recall ever seen one produce four traps with double flanges all at the same time. If it is not that difficult to find, can you produce a photo of such a Mirror plant? If you did not keep accurate records then the right thing to do is to assume they are not the same. To do anything else is going to result in uncertainty if you do eventually distribute them. That's true. And I will only choose one to name, clone and distribute (if it turns out to be worth doing so). But in all likelihood, they are all genetically the same since there were only perhaps a dozen seeds in the bunch and these three plants are the only ones showing the flanges on both sides of the traps on all traps. Do you have photos of it at other times with these traps? You should keep evidence so that others can confirm your observations and to eliminate bias on your part and doubt Ion the part of others. I have only been observing this plant for one growing season and did not take other photos of the plant this year. I will likely not keep detailed photographic records of the plant throughout the growing season, but rather just observe the plant and write a description of my observations when I create the product in our store (FlytrapStore) if it comes to that point. We (FlytrapStore) have a reputation to uphold and if people started noticing that we are misrepresenting the plants we're selling, that would not be good for business. Thus we are careful to make sure that any plants we name are unique enough and have well defined characteristics that have been observed for the long term. By doing so, we have built a reputation as a reliable and truthful seller of Venus flytraps. We're also quite conservative with which plants we name and choose to propagate. We normally germinate somewhere around 500 seeds in vitro every year and have done so for the last 6 years; very, very few of those several thousand seedlings have received a name. Its a good plan. fingers crossed that you have something that's better than "mirror" After watching the plant for one growing season, I'm pretty sure that it is, else I wouldn't have posted the photos here. which I don't really like as I'm suspicious about these varieties that don't produce the characteristics on every trap all the time. Like that funnel trap which I personally believe is a temporary condition that has been chemically induced I've seen funnel traps on Schuppenstiel as well; a genetically different, but similar, plant. And I grow several dozen Schuppenstiel x XYZ and Trichterfalle x XYZ seedlings that also produce the funnel traps. It seems to me that the "scaling" on the leaves of flytraps is genetically tied to the unusual funnel traps. I don't believe it to be any sort of temporary condition produced by chemicals, but rather a genetic abnormality that only occasionally shows. Though some of the Trichterfalle x XYZ and Schuppenstiel x XYZ seedlings seem to produce the funnel traps more often and more dependably than Trictherfalle does. With regards to people choosing to name flytraps...while I am in agreement with the core of your beliefs that care should be taken to be sure exactly what are the growth characteristics of a given plant before naming and distributing flytraps, and that the plant should be distinctly different from other flytraps already in distribution, the fact is that there is no way for you or anyone else to prevent anyone naming any plant they wish to name. What it really comes down to is each individual grower must decide for himself or herself which plants they want in their collection. Some people want every plant with a name; others want to make sure that they're getting something unique; others only want to collect the plants that interest them enough to grow. We (FlytrapStore) are very conservative with which plants we choose to name, clone and distribute. But there would certainly be nothing "wrong" with us naming every single plant we've germinated from seed. Though doing so would only lead to confusion for our customers and make it more challenging to figure out which plants are actually unique enough to be worth obtaining from us. It is for those reasons that we are very selective when it comes to choosing to name and distribute any given flytrap. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vernon Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 Beautiful plant! Why not ' Kaleïdoscope 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billynomates666 Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 Enjoying the names! How about the simplest one - diprosopus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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