brad Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Aidan and myself were having a conversation discussing how easy CP propagation really is. I told Aidan that it is so simple, that cuttings of Drosera, Nepenthes, and Dionaea are easily propagated in just pure water. I said to Aidan, it is well documented for all three Genera in the literature. Aidan said, nope, never documented in Dionaea. So here it is, documentation of VFT leaf cutting propagation in pure water for the first time ever, possibly. The whole thing: Nice green leaf buds: Well developed root hairs: Sorry the pics are blurry but the plastic is not clear, so it is the best I can do. At least the plastic is non breakable. The amazing thing to me is the quality of the new root and the nice long healthy root hairs. This means that water is a good media for VFT propagation in my hands. The photo was taken today, the cutting was placed in pure deionized water 2-25-04. There was no growth noted last week, so this is one week growth and exceptionally healthy growth too. The SB#1 designation, is from my B1 VFT, which is the best form of Typical VFT I have ever seen. Anyway, this is the first documentation of a VFT leaf cutting propagation in pure water. This water is very pure, polished deionized water with a near 18 megohm resistance, which is far purer than even distilled water. If you have purer water than this, then you are not truthful. The container was sterile at the outset, the cutting was just rinsed with deionized water for 15 seconds, so it was clean but not sterile. The cutting has been underwater completely the entire time. The airtight container has not been opened yet. Maybe I should give it an air exchange, May 1 will be good. Brad Ventura California Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milosko Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Hi, do you have any experiences, pictures or links to nepenthes propagation such way ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antipatic Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Hi Brad! interesting experience! do you have tried with entire leaf of VFT? i'm going to cut some VFT....:) bye Piero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aidan Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Hm, putting words in my mouth Brad. I said I'd not heard of Dionaea cuttings being rooted in water and to let us all know how the experiment turned out. Looks like it is turning into a success story - congratulations! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Great info, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest padedeji Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Hi Brad Thanks for this thread I had never heard of VFTs being rooted in water, although I do use it for Drosera and Nepps myself Has anyone ever attempted or heard of anyone else who has rooted Pings in water Regards Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dave2150 Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Oh Wow I never thought that would be possible. Im doing to be doing around 30 vft cuttings this year, which will be the best to do it ? Water, LFS, or peat/sand ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uglypho Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 Hi brad, Great pictures and information! My cuttings rooted just two days ago in pure peat. Dave, I think live spag moss works best, but for me any substrate works. (Look at brad-all water ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droseradude Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 good job! it is interesting how you cn do that.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pond boy Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 I have seen site(s?) that have shown this though that was a few years ago so I can`t remember the Url. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Clemens Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 Phil, Why bother with water for Pings, they sprout without it, and without any media either. Just drop them into a clear plastic bag and keep out of direct sun. A few weeks later, you have more plants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 Hi Brad, it must be that 100th monkey thing, I was wondering wether Dionaea would root in water alone and I couldnt find any referance to it so I put some in just recently as an experiment. Great to see it works. How much light did you give them? Trev. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad Posted April 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 Hey Trev, The whole process of water propagation is very straight forward. Every plant I know of and that is only a few, will, if stripped of roots or without roots will develop roots in just water. Preschool children set plant cuttings to a glass of water in classes around the world, with much success. My technique is for the entire cutting to remain completely underwater. I like the water propagation method so far, for the things that cause rot do not get at the cutting at least not yet. I am sure as I use this technique more, some shortcomings will be forthcoming. The light is 4 foot, 40 watt, cool white florescent, shop lights, at my always set 16 hours of daylength. The cuttings are approximately 6 inches from the light bulbs. A few more Dionaea parts have been set to water, follow up results may follow. Brad Ventura California Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest padedeji Posted April 26, 2004 Report Share Posted April 26, 2004 Hi I put some VFT leaves in water yesterday and await the outcame Hi PinguiculaMan I have no problems rooting Ping leaves. I was just curios to see if they would root in water Regards Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimscott Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 There is a gal in Florida who is attempting a similar experiment, involving a VFT flower stalk in water to see if it can produce roots and new plants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pond boy Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 Yeah Tanya aka. flytrapgurl,Ftg,love sick kenney chesney fan. Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endparenthesis Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 This thread is very helpful. I'm making my own attempt at it now. I have a few cuttings in a bottle submerged in distilled water and hanging a few inches underneath a 2x40watt full spectrum shop light. I'll report back on what happens with it... curious if my less-than-sterile conditions will be effective. :) I'm curious... when do you decide to take it out of the water and plant it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad Posted July 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 The cutting has been underwater for 5 months continuously. Time to let it out, I guess. Here is an update photo of the cutting today. I thought about entering it into tissue culture as is, but I don’t have the resources, so into a peat mix it will go. Regarding VFT cutting propagation, live sphagnum moss is the best substrate, other excellent substrates are LFS, sphagnum peat moss, and sphagnum peat moss mixes. Pure water and pure inert substrates work, but the cuttings perform far better in the sphagnum substrates, by having better strike rates and far better growth rates. To root a cutting in water works, as it does in every other plant I know of, but it is not a great way to propagate, the easy to propagate Dionaea muscipula. Use a sphagnum substrate and you will be rewarded. Brad Ventura California Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phyrex Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Wow, nice experiment Brad. How much bigger (%) do you think the plant would be when placed on LSM instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad Posted July 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 I am not sure if the cutting would have faired any better in a substitute environment. But from doing well over a hundred successful VFT cuttings in many different substrates including pure silica sand, my recommendation is to use a sphagnum substrate if you want the best total results. That would include best strike rates and more vigorous growth. VFT are very easy to propagate, so basically everything works. Keep it fairly simple however. I hear about so many VFT cutting failures by those using rooting hormones, this just supports the theory to keep it very simple. Sphagnum, pure water, light, humidity, some warmth. Brad Ventura California Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepenthesleep Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 What is LSM? My dad works in a lab so I could easily obtain the conditions needed. Do you reccomend it for any plant? and can it be done with root cuttings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobZ Posted July 26, 2004 Report Share Posted July 26, 2004 The next experiment is to cross a Dionaea with an Aldrovanda! Both are closely related. see Kenneth M. Cameron, Kenneth J. Wurdack, and Richard W. Jobson. 2002. Molecular evidence for the common origin of snap-traps among carnivorous plants. American Journal of Botany 89(9): 1503-1509. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jez_z3 Posted September 6, 2004 Report Share Posted September 6, 2004 in sted of useing sterial water and other conditions, would i be able to root a cuttting ing rain water changed every so oftern?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 Sorry to drag this to the top, but how has your VF water propagation been going Brad? Do you do anything special when transferring them from their sealed environment into the wide world? Do you think this method would work for sarracenia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jez_z3 Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 i had a go with the water method and it realy does work... i accidently broke off a leaf/stem from my vft and put it in a tube with water and it rooted and is now in a pot doing very well...ive now decided to try it on my ceph and neps too...the ceph looks more like taking but the neph isnt looking hopeful ... tho i did try last year nephs in a larger container of water and gave it lots of air and the woody stem bit rooted and took but the younger green stem died back and never recovered.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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