Guest barry_smart Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Hello, I'm quite new here and this is my first post. The main reason I signed up was to see if anyone had seen the rare nepenthes seeds on ebay. Anyone know if this is real or if its a con? seems strange to get edwardsiana seeds in the UK! Thanks Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amori Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 (edited) You might find this interesting: http://pitcherplants.proboards.com/index.c...amp;thread=7818 Welcome to the forums :) Edited October 24, 2009 by Amori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Welcome to the forum. I've had a quick look on ebay UK and can't find the seed. It is always risky buying seeds, especially the rarer ones if you do not know the seller. By the time seeds germinate and grow to a recognisable size, the seller could be long gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest barry_smart Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...e=STRK:MESOX:IT Heres the link, you can check it out yourself. Thanks, that link was useful, I'll make sure I'm careful about buying anything Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Green Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 You might find this interesting: http://pitcherplants.proboards.com/index.c...amp;thread=7818Welcome to the forums :) Amori - A totally different seller. But yeh, stay well clear of that guy and whatever else he changes his name to next. You can never be TOTALLY sure, but this guy just seems like he might be genuine and at that price can you afford not to chance it ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flycatchers Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 I see the seeds are of Nepenthes Macrophylla not edwardsiana so may well be correct. But getting any Nep seeds from an unknown source is always a bit of a gamble!! bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Green Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Put ya spec's on Bill He's got, macrophylla, edwardsiana and hamata - or at least he did last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flycatchers Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 (edited) Put ya spec's on Bill He's got, macrophylla, edwardsiana and hamata - or at least he did last night. I was looking at this link http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...e=STRK:MESOX:IT No edwardsiana and hamata. Unless he has already sold them. bill Edited October 24, 2009 by flycatchers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amori Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 (edited) Amori - A totally different seller. Yeah, I wasn't aware of that at the time I posted the link, as I couldn't find the listing in question. Edited October 24, 2009 by Amori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manders Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 The sellers old username on Ebay was Nepenthesfreak, which maybe a coincidence but is also the username of a member of this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest barry_smart Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Is the nepenthesfreak user from Derby? I've emailed the seller and he said he doesn't have any more seed avalible but is waiting for a flower to ripen. sounds like he might be genuine but I'm going to ask if he's got photos as proof. The history says he sold a lot of seeds, anyone on here buy them? if so let me know if they arrive because I will probably buy some in the future. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amori Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 I'm in contact with him through ebay this very moment, he seems to know his stuff as far as Neps are concerned (parent plant origins etc.), particularly the seed over TC school of thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manders Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Is the nepenthesfreak user from Derby?I've emailed the seller and he said he doesn't have any more seed avalible but is waiting for a flower to ripen. sounds like he might be genuine but I'm going to ask if he's got photos as proof. The history says he sold a lot of seeds, anyone on here buy them? if so let me know if they arrive because I will probably buy some in the future. Thanks Out guy's profile says the USA, so maybe a different guy but who knows, maybe if our guy logs in he can comment. I'm suspicious of anyone offering Macrophylla or Edwardsiana seeds, as either they've been poached from the wild, (probably a bad thing), or he's just lied to make money, the chances of owning both a male and female Edwardsiana and having them both flower at the same time, and nobody knowing about it in the general CP community, are probably zero, but again it could happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest barry_smart Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Where do the seed originate from then? I do really want to buy some its just the fact he had edwardsiana makes me think there must be something going on.... I emailed him and he said he's going to send some photos of his plants over, so things are looking hopeful! I'll post them up on here if anyone else is interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amori Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 I'm certainly interested in seeing the photos. He says one macrophylla parent was a cutting from a source he's not sure of and the other is seed grown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loligo1964 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 While I know nothing whatsoever about the identity of the seeds that eBay seller has to offer, I would also never publicize that I had both male and female flowering Nepenthes edwardsiana in my private collection -- not nowadays . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest barry_smart Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 theres more seeds for sale today. No email with photos though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amori Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 If anyone who has seen the item on eBay recalls, the seller's location was set to Derby. I received a "signed for" padded envelope which contained the seed I purchased, however, the first thing I checked was the postcode it was sent from. IG1=Ilford, in Greater London, Essex. No return address, of course. There's a good chance that anyone who has bought these has been duped, including myself, although my main goal was to verify the authenticity (lying about location in itself pretty much sums things up, however). He has also stopped corresponding altogether. The eBay user ID is nepenthes_seed_uk. Cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 If anyone who has seen the item on eBay recalls, the seller's location was set to Derby. I received a "signed for" padded envelope which contained the seed I purchased, however, the first thing I checked was the postcode it was sent from. IG1=Ilford, in Greater London, Essex. No return address, of course. There's a good chance that anyone who has bought these has been duped, including myself, although my main goal was to verify the authenticity (lying about location in itself pretty much sums things up, however). He has also stopped corresponding altogether. The eBay user ID is nepenthes_seed_uk.Cheers, What would be the point in lying about the location? I could see the point if the seller was trying to hide the fact that they were from a different country, perhaps one that people would be wary of buying from, but I cannot see why they would bother lying about their location within the UK. Is there perhaps a possibility that the seller lived in Derby when they joined Ebay and then moved to Essex and forgot to change their location? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amori Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Simon Lumb told me he himself was once duped by a scammer in Ilford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Simon Lumb told me he himself was once duped by a scammer in Ilford. Sorry... but not conclusive in my opinion. While I have no evidence as to whether the seller is genuine or not I don't think that the fact that the package was sent from Ilford is evidence in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amori Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 (edited) Not conclusive, but what are the chances the same thing has happened again? Besides, the seed look like total duds too, as was the case with Simon. As far as I see it, I'll reach a final conclusion only when the seller makes the effort to prove me wrong with hard evidence that he does indeed have both macrophylla parents, as he seems to claim. Failing that, that the seed germinate, then grow on to be the real deal. To be honest, I hope I am wrong. Edited November 3, 2009 by Amori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Green Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 This situation is very strange. No time to go into full details at the moment, but - For several reasons I was starting to think this guy is genuine. But then this evening I've been doing more checking and found some rather disturbing/suspicious coincendences about this guy's trading, which is now making me think there's a lot more con going on than just this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amori Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 (edited) Let me guess Phil, unwanted gifts 2008, newmodel1500 and brentwood bargains, to name a few? Edited November 4, 2009 by Amori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NepGrower Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 In the case of the N. edwardsiana seeds, the seller adjusted the quantity of seeds available as they were being sold (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...em=260495687744). Compare the times with those in the purchase history: http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?V...em=260495687744. It seems the seller wanted to make it appear as if the seeds were in limited supply, while also ensuring he did not run out of items to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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