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[LeeBr]

Urs,

as well as the speckled tentaculata pitchers with closely spaced teeth on their wings you also have pictures of green pitchers with strong widely spaced teeth on their wings.
Are these another species or a growth stage of the same plant?

LeeB.

[osmosis]

I just wanted to say thanks to those who have replied with information, observations and opinions - it has been fascinating reading and I feel a much better appreciation of the hamata 'affinity' group

Even the variation within the Katoposa ppopulation is extremely interesting

Does anyone have photos of other hamata female flowers?

Cheers,

[chimanta]

LeeBr, on 06 July 2011 - 01:33 AM, said:

Urs,

as well as the speckled tentaculata pitchers with closely spaced teeth on their wings you also have pictures of green pitchers with strong widely spaced teeth on their wings.
Are these another species or a growth stage of the same plant?

LeeB.

Hello LeeB
No, they are from a different  mountain again all of the pics/plants 57 - 60 belong to the same habitat/place.

Whereas No 54 and 55 ( 54 and 55 = same plant) grow on another Mountain than 57 - 60. This plant has a similair peristome as glabrata does, which was growing a few meters beside, but pitchers speckled like hamata or the speckled tentaculata from MT but on the other hand wider leafes again, so maybe a cross?  Maybe Dave Evans has an idea? But I don't want to start another thread here since this one is about the hairy hamata :-) and this plant deserves it.
cheers
Urs

Edited by chimanta, 06 July 2011 - 09:34 AM.

[LeeBr]

Thanks for that Urs,

I am having trouble matching the numbers with the plants on the screen.
But in any case it looks to me like you have more than one new species in the tentaculata group there.

It appears that it is forming a species flock in Sulawesi; so I suspect more related species will be found as more of the mountains on the different arms of Sulawesi are explored.

LeeB.

[Dave Evans]

LeeBr, on 06 July 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

Thanks for that Urs,

I am having trouble matching the numbers with the plants on the screen.
But in any case it looks to me like you have more than one new species in the tentaculata group there.

It appears that it is forming a species flock in Sulawesi; so I suspect more related species will be found as more of the mountains on the different arms of Sulawesi are explored.

LeeB.

N. tentaculata or more probably N. aff. tentaculata:

http://www.nepenthes...tentaculata.jpg
http://www.nepenthes...tentaculata.jpg
http://www.nepenthes...tentaculata.jpg
http://www.nepenthes...tentaculata.jpg

Are there any photos of lower pitchers?


Sp. Sulawesi:
http://www.nepenthes...tentaculata.jpg
http://www.nepenthes...tentaculata.jpg
http://www.nepenthes...tentaculata.jpg
http://www.nepenthes...tentaculata.jpg
http://www.nepenthes...tentaculata.jpg
http://www.nepenthes...tentaculata.jpg
http://www.nepenthes...tentaculata.jpg

sp. Sulawesi appears, to me, to be a version of N. hamata with reduced teeth and lack the tri-split elements--but the element are still much longer than other species.  Over all, it has more features in common with N. hamata than others in the group--especially the flowers which are nearly the same if not identical.


This doesn't look quite right for either species:
http://www.nepenthes...tentaculata.jpg
http://www.nepenthes...tentaculata.jpg

The peristome does appear to have some N. glabrata influence, but I'm not sure--the leaves aren't N. hamata, but then I'm not seeing any leaves of sp. Sulawesi plants for a good comparison, just leaves of normal hamata like here, http://www.nepenthes...27.N_hamata.jpg and here, http://www.nepenthes...26.N_hamata.jpg ...

Not sure what this is either: http://www.nepenthes....N_glabrata.jpg
N. glabrata * N. maxima?

Edited by Dave Evans, 07 July 2011 - 02:58 AM.

[LeeBr]

Thanks for that.

I also wonder what the lower pitchers of the N. aff. tentaculata look like, and also how close the leaves and flowers are to N. tentaculata (both from Sulawesi and Borneo).

And that last picture is interesting, I don't know what it is either.

LeeB.

Edited by LeeBr, 07 July 2011 - 01:34 AM.

[Raci22]

Hello
Sorry for bringing this up, but this plants are very interesting. Does anybody else have same luck with Hairy Hamatas? Can you share your pictures please?
Thank you
Raci

[mark]

Wow your hamata's look awesome .
Thanks for sharing the pics .
Mark

[Mathias]

Hi there,
yes please osmosis let us know what happened to those flowers!!
I cannot say I was successfull with this plant; after it stayed alive but almost not grew in my cool basement setup for some years I thought why not try it in my warmer and more aerial windowsill-tank setup. The plant is unforgiving for mistakes, one day it got too hot in there from the sun, and it was cooked. No other species suffered, like inermis, dubia, ephippiata, burbidgea, mikei, aristolochioides, glabrata all survived. Actually I think it was also infected with mites, which I only then realised were a problem in my whole collection. So you definietely want to keep it free from mites and NEVER expose it to temperatures above 30°C.
BTW, I think this plant is quite distinct from all the hamata variation I have seen...

regards, Mathias

Edited by Mathias, 21 May 2012 - 11:51 AM.

[Carlos 767]

omg! amazing nepenthes