C.Weinberger Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 Hello everybody! At the moment P. cyclosecta, debbertiana, jaumavensis producing flower buds. I want to try to cross them in a few days when the flowers open. On the internet I found the hybrids cyclosecta x jaumavensis and jaumavensis x debbertiana. Is debbertiana x cyclosecta possible too? And what is the best way to pollinate? I´ve already read this http://www.cpukforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5668 http://www.pinguicula.org/A_world_of_Pingu..._Pinguicula.htm Any additions or do you think that is enough to know? And how long does it take until you can be sure that you have crossed the plants and don´t pollinated them with themselfes. Does it take until the first flower? I´m looking foward to your answers. Best regards Christian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fido Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 Doesn’t look like you’ve received much help hear. :? I’m not an expert but I will give you my two cents. I tear the bottom two petals off to expose the pollen, use a tooth pick colored black on the end with a felt marker. Deposit the pollen on the top of the flap looking thing, sorry I don’t know the proper names. This is where to put the pollen. You should be able to tell within a week or two if there is something going on. Keep a close eye on the seed pod they can split before turning brown. As for what is a good cross, I don’t know, but if you have flowers why not. I’m always looking for seed trading partners so keep me in mind if you are interested. Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Weinberger Posted May 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2007 Hey Stephen! Thanks for your help. The black painted tooth pick is a simple but clever idea, this will help a lot I think . I’m always looking for seed trading partners so keep me in mind if you are interested. Sounds good. I will keep you up to date. Hope I will be succesful. Best regards Christian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Weinberger Posted May 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 And again a question. The marked area the place to put the pollen on, isn´t it? The flower of my cyclosecta should open within two days, so I don´t want to make any mistakes. I also recognized that my emerginata x ehlersia opens a flower. Perhaps I try a complex hybrid. Thanks for help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glider14 Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 nope. its behind the the yellow thing on the roof of the flower. what ive done with Utrics(similar flower structure) is tear off the bottom of the flower leaving the top part (along with the reproductive bits) intact. from there you can easily see the stigma and the pollen and makes it having a less chance for self pollination because you can see what you are doing. Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm82792 Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 For primuliflora I ripped of that long tail of the flower and sorta dumped it and touched it to the stigma it worked for me........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fido Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 I posted on terra a while back and Joseph said the part I have circled is exactly where to put the pollen. Does anyone have a good pick of where exactly to put it? Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Weinberger Posted May 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 So after over one week at least one crossing seems to be succesful: debbertiana x cyclosecta I also tried the following, I will see if they had been succesful: (emarginata x gracilis) x debbertiana cyclosecta x debbertiana jaumavensis x cyclosecta Seems to be an interesting experiment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeevoe Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 Itop of the flap looking thing Thats the Stigma :) tear off the bottom of the flower I ripped of that long tail I thought crossing plants wasn't that harsh :!: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Weinberger Posted June 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 Well a short uptdate: Following crossings are definately succesful. I´m still waiting to harvest them: (emarginata x gracilis) x debbertiana (on three different flowers and all three with succes) Should be ready in the next week. debbertiana x cyclosecta jaumavensis x cyclosecta Knows anybody a source for pictures for debbertiana x cyclosecta? *Uptdate*: Today (19.6.) I harvested the seeds. The seed capsule today looked like if it was dried out over night, so I decided to open it. I think it was the right time to harvest them. But I was surprised that there were just 17 seeds. I hope there will germinate one or two. *Update* (22.6.07): Today I harvested again seeds. This crossing was jaumavensis x cyclosecta with just 14 seeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Weinberger Posted June 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 Well at the moment I have several cyclosectas in flower. So I tried to get a nice shot of a multilated flower, to show, where the pollen is, and especially, where to put it! I hope you understand my terrible english. So this is the picture I made one hour ago, where you can see the most important parts: And here with a few arrows that should explain a little bit more: The red arrow shows the pollen source. It is like a "curled cloth". You can reach the pollen with a toothpicker (paint it blue or black to see the pollen better). Then you move the toothpicker like the arrow shows and you can get the pollen. Then you put it there were the green arrow is on the picture. Here another shot from an other point of view: The green arrow shows the place, it is over the "curled cloth" and under the flower leave, right in the middle between them. The red arrows should show again the pollen source. The part within the blue circle will grow after a succesful pollination. It took about four weeks until the seeds were ready to harvest them (see pictures in the post before). At first I had much problems to understand how the pollination works, but with the help here in the forum and especially with Dieter´s I learned it. And here you can find a little bit longer manual in german: http://forum.tropicalgreen.de/showthread.p...id=5271#pid5271 If there are still any problems, in understanding or bad mistakes from my side, please feel free to contact me or write it here. Cheers Christian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Weinberger Posted November 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2007 Hello! Now this is my first crossing after 4,5 months. The pictures shows an other colouration than you can see in daylight. Then it is violett/orange. Until flower it will take a few months... Regards Christian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Clemens Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 (edited) A little while ago I made the cross of [Pinguicula hemiepiphytica x Pinguicula 'Huahuapan']. Some half dozen or so seedlings bloomed when they were 5-6 months old, now somewhat later most are blooming (I will post photo links to this thread soon). What I find fascinating about this cross is the wide variety of flower size, shape and markings. For an F1 generation of a primary hybrid, this variation of form is amazing to me. Edited November 21, 2007 by Joseph Clemens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Clemens Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Here is a recent photo of a current seed pod - in development: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sheila Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 I thought crossing plants wasn't that harsh :!: In most plants it isn't that harsh, but with pings the pollen and stigma are so far back into the throat of the flower they are usually way out of sight and the only way to be sure you have collected and deposited the pollen in the right place is to tear the bottom two leaves off of the flower. It seems brutal, but if you want seed, in most cases it has to be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimscott Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Thanks for the illustrations! Next time I get flowers..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Clemens Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Here are a couple of photos of some of the (Pinguicula hemiepiphytica x Pinguicula moranensis 'Huahuapan') that are blooming presently: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Weinberger Posted December 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2007 Hello Joseph! This crossing loosk really nice and well grown. I wish mine would be as large as yours, it will take a few months... I wish you nice Christmas! Regards Christian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Weinberger Posted May 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Hello everybody! Finally the crossing Pinguicula debbertiana x cyclosecta resulted in four different plants. Two of them have flowered several days ago and show very interesting results. The two plants show different flowers and characteristics of both parent plants. At the end of may the results will be published in the "Taublatt" the german newsletter of the GFP. When I will find the time I will translate my article in english (I suppose a lot of mistakes ) and post it here with pictures of the plants. See you soon, Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimfoxy Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Looking forward to seeing them, Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan P Posted May 6, 2009 Report Share Posted May 6, 2009 Look forward to seeing some photos and stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Weinberger Posted May 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Hy! Another succes shown today, Pinguicula agnata x debbertiana with a really beautiful flower. Pictures will follow. Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natapongw Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 I looking forward for you hybrid pings pictures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimscott Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 (edited) I tried hand-pollinating... and taking pictures. FWIW: Edited June 21, 2009 by jimscott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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