Howard Snocken Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Just to confirm the fertility of Sarracenia leucophylla cv.'Tarnok' as seed parent - if this has not already been done - here are some photos that I took a few weeks ago but didn't have time to post.I pollinated three flowers and was able to harvest three lots of seed. I'm not expecting any spectacular offspring though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aidan Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Howard - Well done. I pollinated my 'Tarnok' flowers this year and a few teeny, tiny seeds were produced that I doubt are viable. Your results are much more impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenofeden Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 yes, I failed too, well done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Even if I have a flower with a slightly deformed umbrella, I rarely get seeds. How did you manage such a harvest??! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Snocken Posted November 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Thanks. I pollinated each and every stigma I could identify - they were many and variously formed - and repeated this a couple of times. Not all of the resulting ovary chambers bore seed of a healthy appearance and not all chambers were properly formed as can be seen in the last photo above the more normal parts of the capsule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-=Joel=- Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Wonder if the flower shape will pass on through genes ?? Joel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aidan Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 The flower deformation is likely a recessive trait, so probably not. Self-pollinating any offspring may result in the next generation having deformed flowers. Howard should be able to tell us in ten or fifteen years time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-=Joel=- Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Will be interesting to see what does happen. Even though some people hate the flower I like it due to it being different Lol. Might open the doors to some new flower types ?? Joel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Snocken Posted November 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 As Aidan has stated it may be a long time before we see any of 'Tarnok's special traits appearing in its possible offspring ( if at all ) - so don't hold your breath! However, out of curiosity and in hope of some pleasant floral surprises at some point in the future I'm sure I'll be as happy as a Cheshire cat if and when any of these seeds germinate. As for the flower - I like it, usually. It depends on the particular example for me. Here's a nice one ( in my opinion ). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-=Joel=- Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 what plant was the pollen donor ? Joel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Snocken Posted November 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 what plant was the pollen donor ?Joel The pollen donor(s) were S.purpurea ssp. purpurea f. heterophylla , a particularly fast maturing 'normal' S.leucophylla from Conecuh which flowered in its third year from seed and a hybrid of unknown parentage involving S.leucophylla and possibly S.purpurea and S.oreophila - unknown but particularly handsome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Howard, Nice dissection of the ‘Tarnok’ flower. Great photos, beautiful specimens. The seeds look perfect and viable. For final proof that ‘Tarnok’ is fertile, at least as a seed parent. Give us a quick update when you get germination. Brad Ventura California Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Snocken Posted November 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Howard,Nice dissection of the ‘Tarnok’ flower. Great photos, beautiful specimens. The seeds look perfect and viable. For final proof that ‘Tarnok’ is fertile, at least as a seed parent. Give us a quick update when you get germination. Brad Ventura California Thanks Brad, will do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radmegan Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 The flower deformation is likely a recessive trait, so probably not. Self-pollinating any offspring may result in the next generation having deformed flowers.Howard should be able to tell us in ten or fifteen years time... WOW! Will it really take that long? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCarnifreak Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 The flower deformation is likely a recessive trait, so probably not. Self-pollinating any offspring may result in the next generation having deformed flowers.Howard should be able to tell us in ten or fifteen years time... WOW! Will it really take that long? Yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrosive Halo Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 Great job! The pictures are also very informative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frangelo Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 Howard should be able to tell us in ten or fifteen years time... Laughing well...I hope that I(we :) ) will be able to tell you before 10-15 years since I made my hybrids flowered in 2 years...unbelieveble but true!! To what I see I am another that have succesfully pollinated the Tarnok...by the way with another leuco... ...I start to pray By the way: VERY VERY VERY WONDERFUL PICS!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aidan Posted December 1, 2006 Report Share Posted December 1, 2006 To what I see I am another that have succesfully pollinated the Tarnok...by the way with another leuco... I have to ask why? Crossing 'Tarnok' with any plant other than S. leucophylla would have been the logical choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 LOL. Maybe you'll end up with a leucophylla with a flower intermediate between normal and the Tarnok mutant? Could be a nice plant in there maybe. I'll be as happy as a Cheshire cat I like the English colloqialisms Howard, especially since you're German Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aidan Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 LOL. Maybe you'll end up with a leucophylla with a flower intermediate between normal and the Tarnok mutant? Could be a nice plant in there maybe. No chance! ...Howard, especially since you're German Alexis - Prepare to be embarrassed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frangelo Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 I have to ask why? Crossing 'Tarnok' with any plant other than S. leucophylla would have been the logical choice. why logical :?: Well....the cause is now expressed : for the last two years I've been making 187 differenrt hybrids...huge work!! One of those hybrids is in my avatar This year instead I concentrate myself to make pure plants (flava x flava, leuco x leuco...), so I would like to have a my personal "new different Tarnok" hoping that the polen donor will give his strong shape and colurs to the offspring.... add to the flower deformation of the Tarnok No chance! Laughing why? I assure that among the hiybrids I've seen things that no human being have seen before ....if you wrote that about the recessive character..well I will wait for other 6-7 years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Snocken Posted December 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Hi frangelo, Thanks - and well done too! My record time from seed to flower was about 23 months for a S.x catesbaei grown under lights to begin with, so I believe you! Did your 'Tarnok' produce its seeds this year? I pollinated mine to produce both a simple and a complex hybrid cross and also pure S.leucophylla seed, whereby the latter was by far the most successful union in terms of number of seed produced. Alexis - are you prepared ? I'm from Hampshire actually - no offence taken though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic brown Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 It would be interesting to cross S. 'Tarnok' with this; The flower above is NOT S. 'Tarnok', but a mutant S. purpurea which Phil Sheridan has growing at Meadowview Botanical Research Station in Virginia. I took the photograph on the ICPS Conference trip to Meadowview in June this year. As far as I'm aware, this is the only known plant of this variant, so won't be widely grown for a while. Phil has selfed the plant this year, so perhaps some of the offspring will bear the same floral trait. Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Snocken Posted December 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 It would be interesting to cross S. 'Tarnok' with this;Vic I had thought that too Vic after having seen your ? photo a while back, but thought that it was probably not able to produce pollen either. I take it that that's not the case then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aidan Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 If Phil Sheridan has successfully selfed that flower, then the structure is more normal than the S. 'Tarnok' flower. Stigmata are present in S. 'Tarnok' but there is no sign of male organs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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