mobile Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 As some may have noticed in my signature, one of my other hobbies is hydroculture, which is basically passive hydroponics. I have tried growing various carnivorous plants in hydroculture but, perhaps with the exception of Nepenthes, it has not been very successful. This year I decided that I would try an active hydroponic system on a Dionaea muscipula (VFT). For this experiment I have used a homemade hydroponic system. The growing medium I used is small rockwool cubes (1cm x 1cm x 1cm), with a top dressing of gravel to keep them in place and to make things look a little neater. The base of the VFT bulb and the roots are in the rockwool, therefore the rockwool is the growing medium, not the gravel. This is all contained within a mesh pot, with air line tubing running through the pot to an airstone underneath it. This is then placed into a watertight container and rainwater is added to a level just above the base of the pot. The idea is to get the rockwool wet but not have the roots actually sitting in water at this stage. The other end of the air line tubing is then attached to an air pump which oxygenates the water via the airstone, this runs continuously. I have added a little fulvic acid to the water to acidify things a little but I don't know if this essential, I just had some so I added it. As you can see from the pictures, I've used a clear container, this is perhaps not ideal as light may encourage algae growth, though the rainwater that was added was initially a little green but has cleared. I will keep a close eye on this and cover the container if algae starts to appear. The plant has been in this system for a couple of weeks and it has put on new growth. This is encouraging as I expected the plant to show signs of stress but there has been no evidence of this so far. I will update this post on the progress of this experiment. Overview of system: Plant in place: Rockwool cubes: Pot containing rockwool cubes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyoliver Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 I use hydroponics a lot for salads, herbs, toms and others. I've never though of using with CPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Interesting stuff Carl - keep us updated as it grows! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyoliver Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Could you not use Perlite as a medium? And have standing water? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted May 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Could you not use Perlite as a medium? And have standing water? Perlite might work but I don't think the air/water ratio is as good as rockwool cubes, also it would fall through the holes in the pot I used. Roots need oxygen to grow healthy and an open medium combined with well aerated water provides for this very well. Growing plants in an inert substrate and standing water is usually referred to as hydroculture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 I very much enjoyed the articles in the The Carnivorous Plant Society news by Tim Bailey about deep water culture and hydroponics. His experiment with a vft looked very promising. I currently have set up a deep water culture bucket/pot with a few Darlingtonia and a small container with a Nepenthes and a ultrasonic fogger. Good luck with your experiment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlytrapCare Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Very cool! Keep us posted on the progress of the experiment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted May 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 I currently have set up a deep water culture bucket/pot with a few Darlingtonia and a small container with a Nepenthes and a ultrasonic fogger. I'm interested to know how your ultrasonic aeroponics system performs. I was considering this myself but opted for a bubbler system as I was wary that the ultrasonic transducer membrane may not last very long if run continuously. Do you have yours running continuously? Do you add nutrients as I presume that your Nepenthes will be tolerant of some? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toimeme Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 I use hydroponics a lot for salads, herbs, toms and others. I've never though of using with CPs. well, i think for salad and herbs toms etc it's better to grows with classc method, they taste better. I cultivated one Vft in coir since last year the only difference I saw is that it has more than root, I think it's because coir is more airy than the peat coir = Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toimeme Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 well, i think for salad and herbs toms etc it's better to grows with classc method, they taste better.I cultivated one Vft in coir since last year the only difference I saw is that it has more than root, I think it's because coir is more airy than the peat coir = edit: sorry for bad english it's google translate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted May 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 I cultivated one Vft in coir since last year the only difference I saw is that it has more than root, I think it's because coir is more airy than the peat I think some people are wary of using coir because of the stories that some may contain salt but the quality brands often state that it is pretreated or washed so it's worth checking first. Pre-soaking it in rainwater or deionised water prior to using would help too. Rockwool is extremely airy, epecially the cubes like I used, so I'm hoping that my VFT gets good root development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Mobile, I don't run the fogger continuously. I haven't found any good info about a running cycle. I came accross a forum message with the advice to time how long it takes to fill the container and how long it takes for all the fog to dissapear adding an extra 5 minutes and use these as on/of. Because I don't have any spare minute/second timer, I now let the fogger run for 15 minutes every 3 hours. I know that this isn't the best solution. Will get a minute timer to run it a smaller intervalls. Currently I don't add nutrients to the water because I first want to see if the Nepenthes will tolerate the change in moisture, temperature and light in comparison to my Highland terrarium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted May 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 (edited) Currently I don't add nutrients to the water because I first want to see if the Nepenthes will tolerate the change in moisture, temperature and light in comparison to my Highland terrarium. You may find that you get through more fogger discs when/if you do add nutrients, especially if they are not the teflon coated discs, so best get some spares. Edited May 13, 2009 by mobile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 What technique do you use for nepenthes? I'm intrigued Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted May 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 What technique do you use for nepenthes? I'm intrigued I've only every tried hydroculture (static hydroponics) on Nepenthes but growth rate was slow. I think an active system, such as aeroponics, should be good with this species. I also think that deep water culture (DWC) should work ok. Aeroponics doesn't need any substrate but DWC does and I think that I would be tempted to use hydroponic LECA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muel Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Ah rightyo, aeroponics looks interesting! I think I may give that a try... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted June 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 A quick update. During a two week holiday the plant in my original post was beset by a little 'accident'. Below is a picture of the replacement plant which has been in the same hydroponic setup as above for about a week now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyoliver Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Great growth on it. How long to get to this stage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted June 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Great growth on it. How long to get to this stage? Andy, It was almost at this stage when I purchased it. it's only been in hydroponics for just over a week but its taken to it really well. Having washed off all the peat I expected it to show some signs of stress but the traps re-opened within a few days and there is plenty of new growth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Looking forward to hearing more updates Carl - shame the other plant had a little 'accident' Heather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted June 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Looking forward to hearing more updates Carl - shame the other plant had a little 'accident' Heather Always tricky when on holiday as I have to rely on others to water my plants. Most of them I can just leave standing in a deep tray of water but, of course, this isn't the case with this one. In general I have very little success with VFTs and have lost many over the years, including my beautiful Petite Dragon which was my favourite so I'm hoping that hydroponics is successful for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 I dont know how you manage to kill so many Carl! Ocassionally I lose one from rot but thats all. Sorry to hear about the petite dragon, its a lovely little vft too. Fingers crossed the hydrponics method works better for you... Heather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted June 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 I dont know how you manage to kill so many Carl! Ocassionally I lose one from rot but thats all. It's a mistery to me too. I plant them in the same media mixes as everyone else, i.e. various combination of peat, perlite sand but no combination seems to work for me. I've tried standing them in trays of water and tried keeping them dryer, to no avail. It has got to the point where I simply don't bother trying to grow them anymore as it's pointless but I like to experiment with growing methods and a standard VFT was an easily obtainable cheap CP to experiment with hydroponics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Definitely a mystery - the media shouldnt be the problem so it must be down to your conditions! I've got my fingers crossed for your experiements, it will be good if you can find atleast one way to suit you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyoliver Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Andy,It was almost at this stage when I purchased it. it's only been in hydroponics for just over a week but its taken to it really well. Having washed off all the peat I expected it to show some signs of stress but the traps re-opened within a few days and there is plenty of new growth. Great news, sounds like a good way to grow VTFs. Is there any advantage to growing in the maner compared to the norm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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