Fábio Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 I continue trying to identify that Nepenthes suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulo Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 I continue trying to identify that Nepenthes suggestions? It seems like a rafflesiana hibrid...doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 (edited) x coccinea? http://www.floralive.co.uk/productdetail.p...amp;open_menu=1 Edited March 14, 2008 by wasted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulo Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 x coccinea?http://www.floralive.co.uk/productdetail.p...amp;open_menu=1 Pitchers haven't got the same form...his Nep has elongated pitchers...so I don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fábio Posted March 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Pitchers haven't got the same form...his Nep has elongated pitchers...so I don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifurita Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 What if the raff used to create this particular one is the elongata raff? I've seen red x hookeranas when an amp red is used in the cross... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 I know what you mean. The first picture is very similar to coccinea, are the others of intermediate pitchers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxposwillo Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 It looks a bit like N. x 'Wrigleyana'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Isn't wriglyana a reverse cross of coccinea or similar?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulo Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Isn't wriglyana a reverse cross of coccinea or similar?? what is a reverse cross? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Weinberger Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 (edited) what is a reverse cross? Well, when you cross two plant and you get seeds from it. This seeds are the F1-generation. When you cross seeds from the F1-generation you are able to get a small amount of seeds that have the same genes than one of the parents. A better explenation you can find in wikipedia. Or he means someting like chance the male and the female parent. Something like ventricos x alata and alata x ventricosa.... Regards Christian Edited March 17, 2008 by C.Weinberger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicon Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 what is a reverse cross? A reverse cross is when you swap the sex of the parents. ie N x wrigleyana = N.mirabilis x N.hookeriana.....first name being the female or seed parent, second being the pollen parent. N x coccinea = N.hookeriana x N.mirabilis the reverse of the above. It is clear from this that if one has a hybrid that the labelling must always be written female first to correctly identify it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 So its ladies first ;-) as it should be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulo Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 you are able to get a small amount of seeds that have the same genes than one of the parents. That's imposible.. You will never get the same genes of the parents...Do you know what is the chromosome crossing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulo Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 (edited) A reverse cross is when you swap the sex of the parents.ie N x wrigleyana = N.mirabilis x N.hookeriana.....first name being the female or seed parent, second being the pollen parent. N x coccinea = N.hookeriana x N.mirabilis the reverse of the above. It is clear from this that if one has a hybrid that the labelling must always be written female first to correctly identify it. Thank you Dicon for the explanation!(I didn't know you could get different characteristics if you swap pollen doing the right cross or the reverse one) PD: Of course wasted, ladies always first! LoL! Edited March 18, 2008 by Romulo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasted Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 (edited) Also, if its an x. wrigleyana or x. coccinea then one of its parents is a hybrid in the first place ( x. hookeriana) so theres a lot of variability all along the way.. Edited March 18, 2008 by wasted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulo Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Also, if its an x. wrigleyana or x. coccinea then one of its parents is a hybrid in the first place ( x. hookeriana) so theres a lot of variability all along the way.. I see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
un lolo de plus Posted March 20, 2008 Report Share Posted March 20, 2008 Could be an "Ile de France" hybrid ??? (an old complex but classic crossing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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