jeff 1 Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 I am looking for some picture 'in situ' from this plant just 'in situ' no 'ex situ' . thanks for the answer jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcelvW Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Hello I have found two pictures, made by Stewart McPherson http://www.redfernnaturalhistory.com/album..._heterodoxa/211 http://www.redfernnaturalhistory.com/album..._heterodoxa/213 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando Rivadavia Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 I don't think Stewart had ever been to Ptari until this past month (he's on a CP expedition in Venezuela right now, including Ptari), so these photos were probably taken elsewhere. I'm almost sure the germans have been on Patri, so take a look on Andreas Wistuba's or Joe Nertz's webpages. Best wishes, Fernando Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcelvW Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Hello Fernando, Why is Stewart saying this? Locality: Venezuela Product No: 150 Image Subject: Heliamphora heterodoxa Photographer: Stewart McPherson Heliamphora heterodoxa This is the highland form of this species from Ptari Tepui Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff 1 Posted February 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 nevertheless , many thanks jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando Rivadavia Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Marcel, How can you be sure this is the highland form? Maybe he found it in the Gran Sabana somewhere or on another mountain? I don't know. Or maybe he has been to Ptari before and I didn't know. :) Best wishes, Fernando Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff 1 Posted February 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 (edited) see here the gran sabana heterodoxa http://wistuba.com/01b021930e071c31f/01b02...333144b061.html the ptari http://wistuba.com/01b021930e071c31f/01b02...48f0a7df12.html I would have liked to see into macro the 2 nectar spoon with their connection on the adult pitcher to make a comparaison and define some morphologic caracters . Edited February 16, 2009 by jeff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando Rivadavia Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 To me Stew's pictures seem to resemble more Wistuba's pic of Gran Sabana H.heterodoxa... Fernando Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcelvW Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Marcel,How can you be sure this is the highland form? Maybe he found it in the Gran Sabana somewhere or on another mountain? I don't know. Or maybe he has been to Ptari before and I didn't know. :) Best wishes, Fernando I am not sure, I never said that. I only found those pictures at his website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando Rivadavia Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 OK, I think I know where the confusion comes from. The phrase below was written on Stew's website, and not by you, correct? This is the highland form of this species from Ptari Tepui best wishes, Fernando Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcelvW Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 OK, I think I know where the confusion comes from. The phrase below was written on Stew's website, and not by you, correct?best wishes, Fernando Yes I think so, I did only copy paste that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando Rivadavia Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 OK, all clear now! :) We'll have to ask Stew about it then! ;) Fernando Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Fleischmann Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Hi all, Stew had already been on Ptari-tepui before, and he has well seen the plants at the type location. Jeff, the plants in cultivation from "the Gran Sabana" are just plants from a single location (i.e. a single "clone"), so are the plants from Ptari in cultivation! H. heterodoxa is probably the most widespread of all Heliamphora species, and most likely one of the most variable ones by morphological leaf characters. To compare just two different "clones" from two sites would not be a good idea, in case you want to get an overview of the morphological plasticity of that species! I have seen lots of herbarium specimens of H. heterodoxa from all over its range now. It is very variable, not even between the different locations, but also within a single population! Lid shape and width of the lid attachment vary greatly within a population! All the best, Andreas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff 1 Posted February 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 (edited) hello ANDREAS I agree with you with this 'clone' notion only on the cultivation plants. but my interest is in the natural taxon I would like to see those in the nature (from gran sabana and from ptari ) to make me an idea . I agree also with this variability according to the ecology ( shade, water, etc) but perhaps we have some great mophologic caracters perenn and reproductible , you think not . jeff Edited February 17, 2009 by jeff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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