Nicolas de Lyon Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Hi, a friend of me has just bought this nep in a new garden center. It was ID as N. rafflesiana, but I'm dubious because of the slim shade of the top of the pitchers. I think it's a raffl hybrid, but whitch ? I've searched on the CP photo finder, I've found that : Nepenthes 'Red Skelton' (D'Amato) [[((mirabilis*thorelii)*mirabilis)*(thorelii*((northiana*maxima)*(rafflesiana*vetchii)))] registration preliminary (standard missing) http://e.domaindlx.com/Vertigo1/Images/Pla...stPitcher-1.jpg http://home.petflytrap.com/users/vertigo/i...her_forming.jpg What's your advice ? Thanks :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil_flytrap_kid Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 No idea what it is but I do know thats one beautiful nep! I Envy you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolas de Lyon Posted March 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 I Envy you! You souldn't ! The plant is not mine I agree with you, it's beautiful... Just don't know what it exactly is... Any idea, gentlemen ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Looks like N. x Coccinea to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Cornish Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 I second the N. x Coccinea theory. N.rafflesiana is one of the parents/grandparents hence the mislabelling. Nepenthes producers often label their plants by simply calling it one of the parent plants to keep the exact cross a trade secret. Great Nep all the same. Regards Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikazee Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Yes, Nicolas, it's x coccinea and not rafflesiana (Tu devrais le savoir ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolas de Lyon Posted March 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Yes, Nicolas, it's x coccinea and not rafflesiana (Tu devrais le savoir ) (Tu devrais savoir ce que je pense des hybrides, mon Kamou. Suffit de voir ma liste ) Thanks a lot for your replies, guys Bzw : I know x coccinea is quite common, but... I don't interest in hybrids, so... I dont't know them ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agustin franco Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 It also looks a bit like N X wrigleyana: N. mirabilis X N. rafflesiana X N. ampullaria Gus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest john Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 That is N x Coccinea (rafflesiana x ampullaria ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manders Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 I think Coccinea has some Mirabilis in it, and definately that hybrid appears to be a Mirabilis Hybrid of some sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest john Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 I think Coccinea has some Mirabilis in it, and definately that hybrid appears to be a Mirabilis Hybrid of some sort. Yes, it says so here [(rafflesiana*ampullaria)*mirabilis] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolas de Lyon Posted March 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Aren't x coccinea and x wrigleyana the same ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agustin franco Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Hi all Species wise: coccinea and wrigleyana are the same. What i am not sure of is whether the types of mirabilis, rafflesiana and ampullaria are the same in both hybrids. another name for N. X Coccinea is N X compacta or N X Stewartii Wrigleyana seems to be a different type of hybrid using the same species, but perhaps from different varieties in each case. Gus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manders Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Another area of possible confusion and another reason I dont overly like hybrids is that with the same three parent plants you have three combinations with different percentages of genes from each parent plant and therefore three distinct hybrids. Granted the name should make it clear which is the dominant parent, but the nomeclature is frequently done in a sloppy manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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