kisscool_38 Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff 1 Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) for me a P.apuana not an hybrid jeff Edited April 24, 2017 by jeff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlotka Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Nice plant, flower looks almost cobalt blue. What is the difference between P. reichenbachiana and P. longifolia subsp. reichenbachiana? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff 1 Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) no difference it is the same . P.apuana 'in situ' in the alpes maritimes 2n=64 'in situ' in the alpi apuane 2n=64 where is the difference ? jeff Edited April 24, 2017 by jeff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisscool_38 Posted April 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 5 hours ago, Zlotka said: Nice plant, flower looks almost cobalt blue. What is the difference between P. reichenbachiana and P. longifolia subsp. reichenbachiana? In fact, it has slightly more violet flowers. It is a common problem on camera sensors. Pinguicula reichenbachiana was first described as a distinct species, but Casper later placed it as subspecies of P. longifolia. It is now once again considered as a distinct species. Pinguicula apuana certainly originates from hybridization between P. vulgaris and P. mariae, this last one closely related to P. reichenbachiana. This is why this hybrid has some affinities with P. apuana. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlotka Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 41 minutes ago, kisscool_38 said: In fact, it has slightly more violet flowers. It is a common problem on camera sensors. Pinguicula reichenbachiana was first described as a distinct species, but Casper later placed it as subspecies of P. longifolia. It is now once again considered as a distinct species. Pinguicula apuana certainly originates from hybridization between P. vulgaris and P. mariae, this last one closely related to P. reichenbachiana. This is why this hybrid has some affinities with P. apuana. Thanks. It's clear now. I have a P. longifolia from Zucarello, Italy. I thought this was a subsp. reichenbachiana but I'm not really sure now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisscool_38 Posted April 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Zlotka said: Thanks. It's clear now. I have a P. longifolia from Zucarello, Italy. I thought this was a subsp. reichenbachiana but I'm not really sure now. Yes, plants from Zucarello are P. reichenbachiana. Edited April 24, 2017 by kisscool_38 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff 1 Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) Bonjour Do you have evidence of your claims ? I do not see that on the last consensus tree,published, for apuana. jeff Edited April 25, 2017 by jeff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisscool_38 Posted April 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 Do you have evidences of yours? The last tree (De Castro et al., 2016, for those who want to see it) clearly places this Pinguicula in subclade E1b along with P. reichenbachiana, while P. apuana is placed in subclade E1a with P. mariae. Is this in favour of your claim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff 1 Posted April 25, 2017 Report Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) the caryotype and the morphologicals caracters For me botany is a whole, all the sciences must be joined: systematic, phylogenetic, caryology, palynology, study of the seeds, etc., none must have the predominance over the others why an hybrid in a consensus tree ? Edited April 26, 2017 by jeff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisscool_38 Posted April 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2017 21 hours ago, jeff 1 said: why an hybrid in a consensus tree ? Is that a joke too? Please stop editing your posts so often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff 1 Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 Anyway I think we will not agree. Even a small explanation on the 2n = 64 of this taxon ? jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisscool_38 Posted May 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 One set from P. vulgaris, two sets from P. reichenbachiana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff 1 Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 a bit short jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropicat Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 4 hours ago, jeff 1 said: a bit short jeff *censored* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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