Deltatango301 Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Is there any reason that some plants have one i on the end and some plants have two ii Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Good question. I know 'ii in Latin is pronounced 'ee-i' So readii is 'read-ee-eye' But moorei is pronounced 'moor-ree-eye' but only has one i. Is harperi 'har-per-rye' or 'har-perry-eye' though? I've always stuck with the first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltatango301 Posted May 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 You have cheisonii and courtii then there's rehderi gilpini I wondered if it had to do with crosses/ hybrids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 I think it might just be random e.g. nepenthes attenboroughii after David Attenborough, but sarracenia moorei after David Moore (which was originally called mooreana!) Sarracenia catesbaei was originally called catesbyi as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fryderyk Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Being italian and having studied latin in high school , i can assure you that - ii is pronounced "ee-ee "So , mooreii is "moore - ee - ee " , chelsonii chelson- ee - ee , slackii slack -ee - ee etc Harperi is pronounced simply " harper- ee " , but with a short " ee " I've never heard of "ee - i " pronunciation in latin , but I can't tell for sure it is wrong; it just doesn't sound latin though ..Hope this can be of some help :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 I was always told nobody for sure know exactly how Latin sounded or was pronounced, for obvious reasons! Presumably every speaker adds the influence of their modern day language to Latin pronunciations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fryderyk Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 It could be ,but for sure, I don't think it could ever been read with a pronounce similar to english. If you would like to try a pronunciation similar to latin you should try with a spanish or italian way to read , I think ..Truth be told, though , even French reads in a different way vowels .. so .. who knows D: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltatango301 Posted May 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 To get back on track do you think it's a Europeanised v Americanised which one i two ii Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredG Posted May 20, 2016 Report Share Posted May 20, 2016 It all depends which search engine you use. Try this http://www.pronouncekiwi.com/Drosera%20slackii Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltatango301 Posted May 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) I thought I would check this out with Kew this is what they said Plant names ending in -i or -ii are usually named after people. According to the official rules of Plant Nomenclature, in order to turn a person's name into a Latin form (since plant names are traditionally in Latin or Latinized) you must add an -i ending to names that end in a vowel or a y and -ii to names that don't end in er or a vowel. Names ending in er would end -eri and names ending in an a have an -e added to the end of them. For example, a plant named after someone called Cooper would be Latinized as cooperi, after Terry would be terryi and after Smith would be smithii. Of course sometimes there are errors where this rule is not followed and the names smithi and smithii might appear for the same species, but these errors should be corrected to the appropriate ending. For detailed discussion of plant name spelling you can look at Article 60 of the Code of Nomenclature available online at: http://www.iapt-taxon.org/nomen/main.php?page=art60 Edited May 24, 2016 by Deltatango301 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Evans Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 I was always told nobody for sure know exactly how Latin sounded or was pronounced, for obvious reasons! Presumably every speaker adds the influence of their modern day language to Latin pronunciations. Umm... Could be. You just say it the way its spelled with Latin pronunciations. You don't use English because it is a misfit. I simply do not pronounce the second "ee". So I say "Nepenthes lowy" I have no idea why they do this weird thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argo88 Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 In Latin the "i" and "ii" at the end is the "genitive" and it means that a plant is discovered or created from a person... e.g: "Slackii" is discovered from Slack... Poldini is the sourname of an italian teacher... when he discovered that a pinguicula was a new specie, he called it "pinguicula Poldinii"..., in Latin is like English form "'s"...(e.g.: Poldini's pinguicula) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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