CephFan Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Evening All, I have put this on FB but I thought I would post it here as it is easier to search for later if anyone is interested. I put seven pitcher cuttings (or 'pullings' if you prefer... I don't care!) into live sphagnum in the early summer and had left them there without any intervention other than occasional peering in. No rooting gel or anything additional other than rainwater. I use small food containers which then sit in steady temperatures under some not too intense LED lights Plenty of new growth in there when I took the lid off today I picked off the sphagnum and all seven pitchers had new growth Now to potting up. I am NOT saying this is the 'right' way to do it nor am I claiming to be an expert but it works for me. I use perforated pond pots and mound the compost in the middle. I then carefully plant the new plantlet with the roots carefully dropped into a hole made with a dibber. Finally I put some lime-free gravel (crushed granite in this case) around the mound which helps stabilise it while watering and also looks nice. So seven pitchers become seven new plants labelled and ready for the greenhouse. Cheers,Steve 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitar Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) I put seven pitcher cuttings into live sphagnum in the early summer and had left them there Cheers Steve for the great job u have done! Just for the protocol - maybe u should add under what temps u root them. Because if I put cuttings for rooting in early summer in my climate in Bulgaria, my success will be 0% and dead cuttings in no time due to my hot temps. Edited December 14, 2015 by dimitar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CephFan Posted December 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Hi Dimitar, Yes that's a fair point. Temperature - I generally have the cuttings in their closed boxes in the shed (which has 2" / 5cm of glass fibre insulation so fairly stable). These are lit by low power white LED lights which produce a little warmth but not much and are controlled by a timer. I have an electronic thermometer module (£3 from eBay) with a remote probe in the closed container the whole lot are in and the temp seems to stay at around 20-24C during the day (falling a little at night. The key seems to be not too intense (temp or lighting) and steady conditions. Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blocky71 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 100% success rate, that's an impressive result, thanks for pics Steve, first good shots of pitcher pullings I've seen rather than leaf. I lost a couple of rooted leaf pulls after I transferred from sphagnum to peat, it may have been coincidence but now I keep the roots in a sphagnum ball and then plant that into the peat. Have you had any losses in the past after transfer? Nice work Cheers Chris 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CephFan Posted December 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Hi Chris, That is a very real issue and some of them can take a hit. The transfer from 100% humidity is a shock. I have piled a little heap of live sphagnum over the leaves to keep them going for now. Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blocky71 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Mine wern't in a sealed container, just a plastic cup filled with sphagnum and the leaves pushed in around the sides. There shouldn't have been any humidity issues in my case which made me think the " shock " was from the rapid change of medium. I just try and keep things as steady and stable as I can but still with limited success. Some of my " runt " pullings that I thought wouldn't make it have done really well the last couple of months whereas a very prolific pulling I had high hopes for has all but shrivelled to nothing. A very frustrating plant at times but I guess that's what makes it so rewarding when they thrive. Cheers Chris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blocky71 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) " deleted double post " Edited December 14, 2015 by Blocky71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CephFan Posted December 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 In Labat's book he describes it as "une plante 'lunatique'"! It's my favourite though. Cheers Steve Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredG Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 That looks to me like you transferred them with just the right amount of root development. I like to get them transferred before the roots become too long. Nice job 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 Well done Steve, its nice to have success with Ceph pullings, especially 100% I only managed 85% with leaf pullings this year, but as you say more babies for the greenhouse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltatango301 Posted December 20, 2015 Report Share Posted December 20, 2015 (edited) Is there any particular size of pitcher cuttings and place to take them off the plant will try this summer on my plant http://www.pbase.com/image/161773256 Edited December 20, 2015 by Deltatango301 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CephFan Posted December 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2015 Well DT301 it doesn't seem to matter too much in terms of getting roots and shoots forming. However in general the bigger the cutting, the stronger the new plant will be, at least initially. However a small leaf and plant should grown on just as well in time. Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltatango301 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) Well DT301 it doesn't seem to matter too much in terms of getting roots and shoots forming. However in general the bigger the cutting, the stronger the new plant will be, at least initially. However a small leaf and plant should grown on just as well in time. Cheers Steve Thanks Steve, is there a certain way of pulling the pitchers off the plant up or down ? Edited December 21, 2015 by Deltatango301 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CephFan Posted December 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 Hi DT301, sorry I missed your post in the Xmas rush. 'Down'' is best but done at the join at the petiole or stalk and the stem. Hold the leaf/pitcher and then use a match stick or similar to push at the join to try to get a small 'heel' of stem of the plant. Cheers, Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Deltatango301 Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 My live sphagnum moss is in transit to me, going to pull 6 pullings and keep them in a simular container And keep it on my bedroom windowsill which is a constant 22c see how we get on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltatango301 Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 (edited) I have done the pullings and added them to the live moss How long did you wait for the rooting before you potted on Btw I have just laid them on top of the moss is this ok Edited March 12, 2016 by Deltatango301 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CephFan Posted March 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 Hi DT, I would drain that excess water off there, it is not needed if the moss is damp. The time it takes depends on the cuttings. It can easily be 8 weeks. It won't do any harm to have a look after say 6 weeks to see if there are any signs of roots. Just tease one out and check it, if there is nothing happening then leave it for a couple more weeks. Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blocky71 Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 Good luck mate, it will be good to see what success rate you get. I knocked a hummers pitcher of recently and had a go with that but it turned black and died off in a matter of days... All the while your leaves or pitchers are green there's a good chance they'll strike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltatango301 Posted March 12, 2016 Report Share Posted March 12, 2016 Looking at these little pods sitting in the moss reminds of the 1956 film Invasion of the Body Snatchers The older ones will remember have fun 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peabody Posted March 13, 2016 Report Share Posted March 13, 2016 I spotted that Pets at Home sell live Sphagnum moss for reptiles and other uses. It isn't exactly inexpensive (£7) but it seems to be very good. The moss I bought was a red variety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltatango301 Posted March 24, 2016 Report Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) I also added some leaf pullings and after 2 weeks all are looking good and upright The moss is also growing so something must be right will post again in 2 weeks time Edited March 25, 2016 by Deltatango301 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltatango301 Posted March 26, 2016 Report Share Posted March 26, 2016 Hi Steve How about a update on how your plants are doing in the greenhouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partisangardener Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) I tried it at the seventh of March. I took every broken bit into the box. I watered it with rainwater and a trace of borax into the water. There were a few crowns included which already grew some 1 cm long roots after 3 weeks. None yet grew roots from leafs and pitchers, as far I could see. The Sphagnum is quite loose so looking without disturbing is not very difficult. I could already harvest two times Sphagnum which is growing like mad and lost 4 pitchers which had been a little bit damaged during picking, like no lid or a bit crushed. It is not necessary that you have a long stem on the pitchers, like everybody says. I found this in another forum http://ocps.proboards.com/thread/1041/root-ceph-pitcher I took even pitchers adult or juvenile or without any stem just for an experiment, before I found this example. One still alive, has even a hole instead of a stem. Thank you very much for the tip, this is a break through for me. Edited April 6, 2016 by partisangardener Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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