Yossu Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I'm confused - doesn't take much! According to Wikipedia (if I understand correctly), there is only one type of VFT, known as Dionaea muscipula. If that's the case, how do you explain all the different types you see around? For example, Hants shows eleven apparently different types, and Carnisana shows almost thirty! How come they are all Dionaea muscipula if they are different? The varieties of other types of CPs all have distinct Latin names. Also, if these are genuinely different types, how did they arise? If they had been found all over the world, I could understand different varieties arising in different places, but as far as I can see, VFTs are only found naturally in a small area of Carolina, and as they have such a small natural habitat, it seems unlikely that you'd get much variety. Anyone able to explain this? Thanks for any enlightenment you can offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North West Neps Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Shhh, don't mention cephalotus follicularis either 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossu Posted July 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Hmm, I see what you mean. Not as many varieties as the VF, but certainly more than one! So, do you have any explanation, or do we all keep shhhhhh about it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 One species, many different clones. Whether all red types should be given varietal status, I don't know. Homo sapiens is one species but comes in lots of different colours! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantrid Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) most of the visibly different varieties of VFT are the result of artificial selection carried out by growers. And as Alexis says they are different in the same way as there are differences between different humans or dogs etc. In fact there are differences between most individual fts, but can only be seen an the genetic level Edited July 12, 2015 by mantrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossu Posted July 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Thanks for the replies. I see what you mean about the variety within one species, never thought of it that way. So did they all originate from one type in Carolina? As I understand it, that's the only place they grow naturally. Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredG Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 There's not a lot natural about some of them. They're artificially created in tissue culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossu Posted July 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 I meant the original variety! But I guess you answered the question anyway. Thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMHoff Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Most of the different types are "mutations" growers have made by hand or by accident. And that's way most of the cultivars are clones and not grown by seeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitar Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Especially I like that one 'Dionaea muscipula (Dr No trap)' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepenthes Lowii Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 One species, many different clones. Whether all red types should be given varietal status, I don't know. Homo sapiens is one species but comes in lots of different colours! omg... Especially I like that one 'Dionaea muscipula (Dr No trap)' Umm.... that looks like a ferm=n... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredG Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Easy to make, all you need is a pair of scissors 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepenthes Lowii Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 Easy to make, all you need is a pair of scissors so mean... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loakesy Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 According to Wikipedia (if I understand correctly), there is only one type of VFT, known as Dionaea muscipula. Amen to that!! But, in answer to the question in the subject of this thread: Too bloody many!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossu Posted July 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 But, in answer to the question in the subject of this thread: Too bloody many!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaicen Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Last time I checked, 1 was definitely less that many... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdeford09 Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I'm confused - doesn't take much! According to Wikipedia (if I understand correctly), there is only one type of VFT, known as Dionaea muscipula. If that's the case, how do you explain all the different types you see around? For example, Hants shows eleven apparently different types, and Carnisana shows almost thirty! How come they are all Dionaea muscipula if they are different? The varieties of other types of CPs all have distinct Latin names. Also, if these are genuinely different types, how did they arise? If they had been found all over the world, I could understand different varieties arising in different places, but as far as I can see, VFTs are only found naturally in a small area of Carolina, and as they have such a small natural habitat, it seems unlikely that you'd get much variety. Anyone able to explain this? Thanks for any enlightenment you can offer. Like with Humans, there are only one species. But, like with humans, that one species has a lot of genetic diversity. Because of that diversity, there are different cultivars. Cultivars are kind of like difference races of Venus Flytraps. Again, using humans as an example, there are only 1 species but there are lots of different races(cultivars). Hispanic, Africa, Asian, Caucasian, etc etc. (I swear, one of you better not turn this into a racist rant, lol!) = 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loakesy Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 On that basis I am hitherto formally publishing myself as a registered cultivar: Homo sapiens 'Andyii' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossu Posted July 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Like with Humans, there are only one species. But, like with humans, that one species has a lot of genetic diversity. Because of that diversity, there are different cultivars. Cultivars are kind of like difference races of Venus Flytraps. Again, using humans as an example, there are only 1 species but there are lots of different races(cultivars). Hispanic, Africa, Asian, Caucasian, etc etc. (I swear, one of you better not turn this into a racist rant, lol!) Thanks, that's a very helpful explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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