KEPBEPOS Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 (edited) Hi to everyone! I am new in this forum and olso new in cultivation of Cephalotus , so I have a question to more profetional in Cephalotus cultivation.Recently i bought a "Cephalotus Hummers Giant" on ebay but iam not sure if it is the original Hummers Giant or not and if not what variety is?I will give 2 photoes and if you want more just tell me! P.S If there is an article about diference between Cephalotus and how to recognise eats variety please tell me! Thanks in advance!http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=mvolg4&s=8 http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2kztz&s=8 Edited December 2, 2014 by panmaroy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitar Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 (edited) http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=mvolg4&s=8 http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2kztz&s=8 Sorry, this is not Hummer's Giant.... Your plant is just regular Cephalotus in mass production, clone of the Dutch nursery Carniflora, Araflora etc... Edited December 2, 2014 by dimitar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEPBEPOS Posted December 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 Thanks alot for information! Do you know where i can find original Cephalotus hummers Giant?There are many shops in this site but iam new and i dont know which i can trust....!Thanks in advance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 Hi Dimitar just out of curiosity, what makes you say that it isn't? Is there a specific style of lid or ribs? Just curious as I am also new to Ceph growing and apart from the obvious size in the various cultivars, could this not be a developing Hummers Giant? Eg. I have a Dudley Watts comming tomorrow... So what traits should I look for? To ensure it is what the label says? Many thanks, James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 Eg. I have a Dudley Watts comming tomorrow... So what traits should I look for? To ensure it is what the label says? The only way to be reasonably sure is to buy from a grower you know and trust, who can trace it back to the originator. There is so little difference amongst many of the clones/cultivars that I find it virtually impossible to tell them apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitar Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 Hi Dimitar just out of curiosity, what makes you say that it isn't? Is there a specific style of lid or ribs? I can say it very easy... C. Hummers Giant. Not C. Hummers Giant. Does this answer your question? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 I see thanks for the pictures so yes they have slightly different ribs (is that the right name?) and also a slightly different shape to them. Interesting.. James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crocodile Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 I can say it very easy... C. Hummers Giant. Who says that this is the real clone? Just because it has big pitchers, it does not have to be the Real 'Hummer's Giant'.Regards Crocodile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitar Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) Who says that this is the real clone? Charles Brewer says that. Just because it has big pitchers, it does not have to be the Real 'Hummer's Giant'. You can tell that to Charles Brewer or directly to John Hummer. Good Luck! Edited December 3, 2014 by dimitar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEPBEPOS Posted December 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Due to I am new here and i dont have access to the selling forum of this site and the problem is when i will have the temperatures here in Greece will go down alot and i sould wait until Spring...,do you know any one how i can buy some original cephalotus Hummesrs Giant-Big Boy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredG Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) Cephalotus 'Hummer's Giant'Submitted for registration on 10 May 2000 In September of 1986 I received from Steve Beckwith (a pen pal in Adelaide Australia) about half a dozen good-sized plants of Cephalotus follicularis. All had deep maroon colored pitchers at least 5 cm (2 inches) in length that had over-wintered from the previous year's growing season. It was obvious that the plants had been dormant for some months and were just beginning to start their growing cycle again,......... This description does make me wonder if anyone knows where the original plant or plants is / are. This green one is often put forward as that but it doesn't fit Hummer's own description. Barry Rice further complicated matters when at the end of the registration he added this ...... Editor's note: As John mentioned in his article, he has been distributing this cultivar for many years. Growers with gigantic Cephalotus specimens can be quite confident it is the same clone that John described in his article......... Which was of course very foolish and / or naive of him. Several other so called giants were in cultivation before Hummer's and distributed internationally in the 1980s and subsequently. Hummer himself doesn't have the plant so there's no reference to go back to. Edited December 3, 2014 by FredG 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitar Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Barry Rice further complicated matters when at the end of the registration he added this ...... Yes, I agree Fred. Barry Rice doesn't help at all in this case, moreover he did a big mess.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crocodile Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 I fully agree to Fred. I don't think it's the real 'Hummer's Giant'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitar Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Would u please show us then how the real Hummers giant looks like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 I fully agree to Fred. I don't think it's the real 'Hummer's Giant'. Based on what, John Hummer's colour description? Cephalotus colour is dependant on conditions, hence why so called dark clones do not get dark in all growers conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapperhead51 Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Think it is about time that the owners of Hummer Giant step up to the plate now ! and not sit behind a screen ,and let us all know why this is the true Hummer Giant and why , Charles Brewer is now the distributor of the HG in USA and world presumably !!, and frequents this forum , do not think any of us should fight some one else Battle , time to tell us all please !! either from John Hummer or Charles ,from what Charles has indicated John no longer has and interest in Cephs or many CP's any more . so up to you Charles to let us all know the information please 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredG Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 This has also been posted online as Hummer's Giant by Charles Brewer http://users.humboldt.edu/rziemer/Brewer/HummersGiant.jpg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapperhead51 Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 I and I think Marcus B have the original plants here still in AU and they dont look like the HG being sold by Charles in USA , but do sound similar to the original plant sent ! by my friend here Steve Beckwith in my city of Adelaide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapperhead51 Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Fred , its a mess mate , just so many conflicting photos and plants put out from over in USA , ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Unless Marcus B has, without any doubt, a division from the actual plant that was sent to John Hummer, the specific clone he named as 'Hummer's Giant', then there cannot be any certainty that anyone has it in cultivation in AU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredG Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Agreed John, it's a total mess and has been for many years. I know Charles is distributing the green thing as the original but when you look at that other photo which has his name on they're surely not the same clone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEPBEPOS Posted December 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Why none try to go on the original place that the friend of J Hummer took the plants?or why none try to find the original place, i can not understand all those serching travels which made to find new varieties of Carnivorous plans none try to find what realy happen in this unique plant....(As far as i know!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitar Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 I and I think Marcus B have the original plants here still in AU and they dont look like the HG being sold by Charles in USA Would it be possible MarcusB to trace them back to the particular plant described by John Hummer which in fact is the real HG cultivar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapperhead51 Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Carl when Steve sent plants to John Hummer , he also sent a few plants to friends here in AU from the same batch's of plants that were sent to John originally , may be not at the same time as he cant remember its like 30 year ago or some thing , but the original plants sent by Steve were just ordinary cephs with good red colour pitchers , nothing special according to Steve himself , !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapperhead51 Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 not saying that its a HG guys ok !! , just the original plant or plants !! ,that was supposedly sent to John before it was named Hummer Giant ok !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.