dimitar Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 (edited) Cephalotus Squat - USA clone. The slowest clone that I ever had for rooting... Cephalotus Triffid Park Nursery Australia - seed grown.... Cephalotus Mike's super fast Australia - seed grown.... Cephalotus Gull Rock Road - seed grown .... Cephalotus Frenchman Bay - seed grown ... Cephalotus Notrhcliffe - seed grown .... Cephalotus Two Peoples Bay - seed grown .... Cephalotus Coal Mine Beach - seed grown .... Coal mine beach - seed grown .... Edited September 15, 2014 by dimitar 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriomix Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 bella collezione Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitar Posted September 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Cephalotus 'Hummers Gian't; a division taken directly from Charles Brewer... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriomix Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 what a nice tie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalle973 Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Stunning plants Dimi, especially Cephalotus Notrhcliffe and Hummers Giant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tish Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Nice collection there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veek Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Great and stunning Dimitar as always! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ada Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 keep up the good work Dimitar.lovely plants. ada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wozzen Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Great stuff dimi!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linuxman Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Stunning plants Dimi, especially Cephalotus Notrhcliffe and Hummers Giant! For non-native-English speakers I'd suggest this should be C. Northcliffe. As it's a placename I'm assuming the spelling of "cliffe" is correct. Anyway, nice plants as always Dimitar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Nice plants Dimitar. Mine have some way to go to catch up with yours. Here are my location and location hybrids: Gull Rock Road by Carl Leach, on Flickr 2PB x CMB by Carl Leach, on Flickr 2PB by Carl Leach, on Flickr Big Donk x self by Carl Leach, on Flickr Coal Mine Beach by Carl Leach, on Flickr 2PB x Sand Site Northcliffe by Carl Leach, on Flickr Non-location and by far the fastest to germinate out of all the others: Mike's Super Fast x self by Carl Leach, on Flickr 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wozzen Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Mobile/dimi What are the seeds mike super fast?? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapperhead51 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 nice job Carl and Dimi , hope mikes SF , holds to its name can only wait and see . so there is no misunderstanding with Mikes super fast . My friend here in Adelaide AU has a good number of original Hummer plants, not like the ones on the market today that are different ,another story!, any how Mikes hummers flowered and got pollinated by insects and with several other different ceph plants around cross pollinated we presume, the seed he got from 1 particular lot , grew from seed germination in 2 grow seasons to have pitchers up to 6 or so cm pitchers , ,hence the name Mikes super fast , and yes its one that I am flowering again right now only 1 or 3 or 4 out of many this year I will let flower . its consistently has larger than normal pitchers in my growing conditions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jozef Havrilcak Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Great Dimi! And dont worry get time squat and growing very fast u saw my pics today ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitar Posted September 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 My friend here in Adelaide AU has a good number of original Hummer plants, not like the ones on the market today that are different ,another story! Hmmm, here I'm not quite sure... However, is it appropriate in that case those plants in Oz to be called HG since that name belongs to John Hummer and his cultivar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wozzen Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Great stuff - cheers for clearing it up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitar Posted September 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 The only way to know with absolute certainty that you have the genuine 'Hummer's Giant' is if you can trace it back to the original plant that much the plant registered in ICPS. While there may be speculation that it came from a bunch of rhizomes that 'might' be for the same plant, or other plant material that 'might' be from the same source, this is not known for sure, nor will it ever be in my opinion. John Hummer registered a particular plant with particular characteristics. It is this plant that is the registered cultivar. It is therefore logical to conclude that only plants vegetatively propagated from that particular plant, or its immediate lineage from which it was vegetatively propagated from, are the only ones that can truly be 'Hummer's Giant'. So, if you can not trace back your plant to the actual plant described in the cultivar description then there is no guarantee that it is genuine... You cannot say that 'Hummer's Giant' exists in cultivation in Australia unless John Hummer sent a vegetatively propagation plant or material from the registered cultivar plant back there, or unless the actual genuine plant that 'Hummer's Giant' was vegetatively propagated from can be identified there. I have seen no evidence of this. On the same lines, I have seen no evidence that the plant named 'Hummer's Giant' grown within the UK, or elsewhere in EU has any direct lineage to the actual plant John Hummer registered. This of course is with the possible exception or recent material arriving from Charles Brewer... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus B Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 The only way to know with absolute certainty that you have the genuine 'Hummer's Giant' is if you can trace it back to the original plant that much the plant registered in ICPS. While there may be speculation that it came from a bunch of rhizomes that 'might' be for the same plant, or other plant material that 'might' be from the same source, this is not known for sure, nor will it ever be in my opinion. John Hummer registered a particular plant with particular characteristics. It is this plant that is the registered cultivar. It is therefore logical to conclude that only plants vegetatively propagated from that particular plant, or its immediate lineage from which it was vegetatively propagated from, are the only ones that can truly be 'Hummer's Giant'. So, if you can not trace back your plant to the actual plant described in the cultivar description then there is no guarantee that it is genuine... You cannot say that 'Hummer's Giant' exists in cultivation in Australia unless John Hummer sent a vegetatively propagation plant or material from the registered cultivar plant back there, or unless the actual genuine plant that 'Hummer's Giant' was vegetatively propagated from can be identified there. I have seen no evidence of this. On the same lines, I have seen no evidence that the plant named 'Hummer's Giant' grown within the UK, or elsewhere in EU has any direct lineage to the actual plant John Hummer registered. This of course is with the possible exception or recent material arriving from Charles Brewer... This is why I keep my giants only labelled as "Giant", even though I am told they are supposedly from the same material as the HG. That is the label they to me came under and I can find no firm evidence to say they came from John Hummer even though they were distributed around the time that he sent out material. Hummer's material came from Adelaide, so it may be the case that material from the same plant is still here, but with those who could confirm this having died, I only see speculation at this point. I would love to be able to say otherwise. That said, "Giant" certainly grows similarly in good conditions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsternar Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 That is the label they to me came under. That said, "Giant" certainly grows similarly in good conditions. Hi Mark, just wondering who you acquired the Giant from ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus B Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Hi Mark, just wondering who you acquired the Giant from ? It was supplied to VCPS via Paradisia Nurseries, when one of our members, who has since died, was working there. It is my understanding that Paradisia simply supplied the place to cultivate it from the material that was received. They believe it to be from the HG stock, before it was granted cultivar status, but cannot prove it. Allen Lowrie told me that he heard that it came from John Hummer's material (or possibly from the material John Hummer was sent), but again he cannot confirm it. Quite a few of us grew it, but it seems that mine is the only survivor of what was sent to us. Where else the same material was sent I have not heard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsternar Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 It was supplied to VCPS via Paradisia Nurseries, when one of our members, who has since died, was working there. It is my understanding that Paradisia simply supplied the place to cultivate it from the material that was received. They believe it to be from the HG stock, before it was granted cultivar status, but cannot prove it. Allen Lowrie told me that he heard that it came from John Hummer's material (or possibly from the material John Hummer was sent), but again he cannot confirm it. Quite a few of us grew it, but it seems that mine is the only survivor of what was sent to us. Where else the same material was sent I have not heard. Thanks Mark, your info is much appreciate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitar Posted September 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Hummer's material came from Adelaide, so it may be the case that material from the same plant is still here, but with those who could confirm this having died, I only see speculation at this point. I would love to be able to say otherwise. It makes absolutely no difference as to where that original plant comes from - Oz, UK , Bulgaria, Spain etc... The cultivar description describe a particular plant so that plant is the cultivar. The only truly genuine one is the one actually described... No other can be guaranteed genuine unless it can be traced back to that one particular plant described Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veek Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 The only truly genuine one is the one actually described... No other can be guaranteed genuine unless it can be traced back to that one particular plant described The only way to know you've got the real deal. Tracing it back ain't easy sometimes but it is worth the trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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