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First off, for those of you not familiar with this variant, S. flava 'extreme red throat' is an unofficial, fictitious name to describe a plant that has more red in the throat than the average S. flava var. rugelii. Some would call this plant a rugelii, while others may call it an ornata. I think neither best describes these plants because some of the pitchers don't have veins, some are a bit reddish, and others are rather green. For those of you who want to see "the plant that started this whole thing" here's "the type specimen": http://sarracenia.proboards.com/thread/229/flava-killer-new-pics-added

We suspect all of these extreme red throat variants are the result of hybridization and mixing with different species, and then back-crossing. what are the exact ingredients? Maybe a dash of S. flava var. rubricorpora, and a glug of rugelii, or maybe a selfed rubricorpora x rugelii that has a rubricorpora phenotype. Alternately, there may be a moorei here and there that has an extreme red thoat, and then it back-crosses with rugelii to create a "pure" looking plant with an extreme red throat.

In the case of the Bay Co, FL plants, it's likely that these extreme red throated plants resulted from mixing with "regular" rugelii's. We did see some rubricorporas at this site that had very solid red throats, but the tricky thing is tracing nature backwards and trying to find out what crossed with what. Only in cultivation or with DNA tests can we find out exactly what's going on.

There are a lot of interesting observations about this site that I will explain in detail in another post. For now, this post will focus on the extreme red throat variants. All photos were taken 8/23/14:


If this isn't an extreme red throat, I don't know what is:
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The body on this one is almost pure red, and I wonder if it can turn solid red depending on environmental conditions. For this reason, I don't call this variant ornata:
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On the other hand, this one is definitely an ornata:
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Beautiful greenish body to contrast with the deep red:
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Love this one, even with the "battle wounds":
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This trap didn't want to cooperate:
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Some of them turned out "normal" in terms of the amount of red in the throat:
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Wanna-be extreme red throat:
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I think this new late summer trap came from a plant that had rubricorpora-colored pitchers on it. The waters are so muddy on nomenclature, but we can debate that in another post :)
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Deformed pitcher:
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Another "regular" rugelii, but not quite regular:
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Slightly out of focus, but this gives you an idea of what the whole plant looks like:
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And to end the post, a really cute little baby deer that didn't move even when we came really close to it. Believe me, after being shot at, I know exactly how that deer feels.
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Very nice Mike, even Bambi!

 

Here's an example of Mike King's F88 I grew this year which is labelled as an ornata, but looks a bit similar to your plants.

 

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Thanks Martin! Is that the clone from Liberty Co, FL? What a beauty!

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Thanks Martin! Is that the clone from Liberty Co, FL? What a beauty!

I don't believe so. It is listed on MK's website as "F88 var. ornata, Solid red throat with diffused veins around neck, Apalachicola National Forest, FL W,(PW)". How far is Apalachicola NF from Liberty Co.?

 

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I don't believe so. It is listed on MK's website as "F88 var. ornata, Solid red throat with diffused veins around neck, Apalachicola National Forest, FL W,(PW)". How far is Apalachicola NF from Liberty Co.?

 

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Hi Martin,

Very close indeed, as it is in the Apalachicola National Forest!

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Here's one from Bay co i've grown since 2000.From seed,it only gets to about 15 inches.

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Just noticed this post Ada, thanks for sharing! That clone is a looker!

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I'm wondering if Luecophylla has anything to do with it...  There are no rugelii or rugelii hybrids shown in this thread.

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HI Dave,

Thanks for pointing that out! At this particular site in Bay Co, you are absolutely correct, there isn't a single leucophylla in the field or surrounding area, although I don't know if there were any leucos. nearby historically. Chances are, the solid red throats at this site have nothing to do with leucophylla.

On the other hand, at another site in Eastern Alabama, there were flavas, leucos and mooreis all mixed together in the field, and we also found these solid red throats, which are clearly genetically different from the Bay Co, FL plants. This is why I suspect leucophylla has something to do with it:

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