manders Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 (edited) Too many seeds for me to possibly sow, so free to anyone who can send a self adressed envelope, please include padding if you think you need it. I have no idea if they will be viable or not. Ill divide seeds up depending on how many want them, PM please for my address. Both parents are large plants, definately not one for a windowsill... Mother: Mother upper; Father: Edited August 31, 2014 by manders 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredG Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 oops spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manders Posted August 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 oops spelling Luckily this isnt being sent to the US senate, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulsar Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 I'll try a few I'll send you a message when I get in from work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCurrell Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 I would love to try some of these, ill PM you :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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manders Posted September 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Mother is truncata x ventricosa, father is macfarleni x sanguinea (probably)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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andrewmc Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 Hi Manders, I am impressed by the beauty of the father plant. great job!! Did you grow it from wild collected seeds? is there any chance of you swapping a cutting/basal in the next years? cheers, Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manders Posted September 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 Hi Manders, I am impressed by the beauty of the father plant. great job!! Did you grow it from wild collected seeds? is there any chance of you swapping a cutting/basal in the next years? cheers, Andrew It came from another member of this forum who got it at a CPS annual meeting as a cutting. Thats all i now about ts origin and it came labelled simply as a Macfarlenei hybrid. Some people have suggested a sanguinea parentage but i'm rather skeptical, looks a lot like a mira hybrid to me and the large pitcher size kind of points to something allong those lines. I cut it down recently and threw a lot of material away, several feet at least, so it be a year at least before it needs another pruning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewmc Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 It does look like some N. macfarlanei x sanguinea I have seen, but it could be a complex hybrid. ( the fact that it vines vigorously points me in the direction of a sanguinea parentage, if the father was mira it would stay more compact, in my opinion! ) That's unfortunate, anyway, next time you cut it please let me know, i am sure i have something interesting for you in my greenhouse. cheers, Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manders Posted September 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 (edited) Thats the problem with hybrids! Ive seen some photos of macf x sanguinea that look absolutely nothing like this plant and more like waht you would expect, size and shape wise, but then other photos of plants reported to be macf x sang that do look very close to this... Not sure how you can cross two species with average size thinnish pitchers and get a big fat pitcher... Edited September 4, 2014 by manders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Evans Posted September 5, 2014 Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 (edited) Hello Manders, Actually, it does look like N. macfarlanei x N. sanguinea. I get what you mean about sort of looking like N. mira, but no. There are no N. mira features in this plant, it is just a superficial association this time. I suspect you may have included N. ramispina hybrids into your concepts of N. sanguinea and N. macfarlanei...? Pure N. sanguinea can actually get fairly large, as can N. macfarlanei. Edited September 5, 2014 by Dave Evans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted September 5, 2014 Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 Bit embarrassed about this Mark, but from the several metres of vine of your putative "macfarlanei x Giant sanguinea", I still haven't got a single rooted plant. About 8 cuttings have new shoots, about 5 of them still look solid at the base, 2 even look like they've swollen and split a bit as if about to produce roots.... but frankly these are rubbish results from so much vigorous growth you sent me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manders Posted September 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 (edited) Hello Manders, Actually, it does look like N. macfarlanei x N. sanguinea. I get what you mean about sort of looking like N. mira, but no. There are no N. mira features in this plant, it is just a superficial association this time. I suspect you may have included N. ramispina hybrids into your concepts of N. sanguinea and N. macfarlanei...? Pure N. sanguinea can actually get fairly large, as can N. macfarlanei. I've never seen either a macfarlanei or sanguinea as big as this plant in any of their components, stem, pitchers etc. doesnt mean they i dont think they could exist, i've just never seen them. (i also think the respective type descriptions were smaller in all parts than this plant if i remember correctly). Edited September 5, 2014 by manders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manders Posted September 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 Bit embarrassed about this Mark, but from the several metres of vine of your putative "macfarlanei x Giant sanguinea", I still haven't got a single rooted plant. About 8 cuttings have new shoots, about 5 of them still look solid at the base, 2 even look like they've swollen and split a bit as if about to produce roots.... but frankly these are rubbish results from so much vigorous growth you sent me! It's a tough old thing but not the fastest grower! I would'nt be surprised if it took until next spring to see roots! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 Regarding its origins, one possibility is that its father was one of the giant sanguineas... not sure if any of these are in cultivation yet (although some of us have small plants from Ricardo's seeds of what we're hoping might be the right thing.) However, I've seen photos of sanginea pitchers from recent expeditions where the pitchers must be around 45cm.... I'll keep my fingers crossed for the cuttings, they're going to live in my ICU over winter, giving them plenty of light and warmth. Can't believe so many cuttings have just died on me... the shame.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewmc Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 Hi Gareth.. yes, i think the only Giant Sanguinea in cultivation ( at least in Europe) are the ones we got from Ricardo!! I was impressed to by the size of some of those sanguinea. I am sure you have seen the pics posted by our friend David Tan, from genting highland! Are you keeping those cutting in your lowland house? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 I've been trying cuttings of these in both lowland and highland conditions. Sometimes lowland conditions seem too warm to root these potentially intermediate things- sanguinea seems to do fine whatever conditions I throw at them. I hope our giant sanguineas turn out to be genuine big'uns... I've got quite a few that range in colour from red, to orange and green, no pitchers larger than about 10cm so far... but then they're only just starting to accelerate in growth now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manders Posted September 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 (edited) I've also ot some of ricardos giant sanguinea seeds, lets wait and see... Lol. Gareth, i dont know how to get the cuttings to root faster but my plants grows in highland conditions, below 10C doesnt bother it. I find it doesnt like being cut much, cut stems tend to die off right down to the roots, or if they do start growing theyre very slow, my plant is only just starting to recover from being pruned (meaning finally there are some shoots showing), hence i dont prune it much. Edited September 6, 2014 by manders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manders Posted September 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 Regarding its origins, one possibility is that its father was one of the giant sanguineas... Ive seen photos of some giant sanguines, cant say i'm convinced though for it being the father, they dont look fat enough. I need to see a really fat lower pitcher to be convinced. Btw, i dont recall this hybrid producing many, or any, uppers, if it does theyre few and far between, at least in my greenhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 hi Manders,Morbus off proboards grows a sanguinea that may change your mind,huge fat red pitchers but i cant seem to find the pics of the lowers but the uppers are blooming massive too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manders Posted September 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 It would be interesting to see the photos, also Gareth sent me a link to some hybrid plants a while ago which looked very similar and where believed to br mac x sang. Cant find the link now. Given these two grow together then maybe thats it. Whatever it is, its one of the few hybrids i like... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 Hmmm, so no pressure at all on me to root these cuttings! Mark, I can't find the link I sent you either with those photos, but I think we agreed they looked about right. Can I offer this photo as an example of the sort of giant sanguinea we're talking about... I'm a bit worried about copyright on this one, it's not my photo, it's Alastair Robinson's from facebook, so if there' s anyone reading and wants me to remove this, just let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morbus Posted September 6, 2014 Report Share Posted September 6, 2014 Hi guysCorky asked me to post this pic hereand these are the uppers: ive since cut the vine that made these pitchers so there are none of this size on the plant now - but summer is on its way here now so i may get a few again. Im quite surprised that this plant seems to be an oddity among cultivated Sanguinea because its just a BE clone. there must be more of them around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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