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I think it is partly because a few of us are sourcing plants from different suppliers and/or locations and tagging them with different names simply to distinguish between slightly (if at all) different typicals. Other people are then think that they are special, named clones that have been produced.

At the moment I wondering if I should tag all my seedlings with something other than the parental cross. Each those would then be a new named clone, making matters worse, even if just in my own collection. :laugh1:

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I think it comes down to labelling. If I wanted to label a special clone that (say) I got from Welshy I'd name it C.f. 'Welshy' but if I was just labelling one that was average from him I'd label it C.f. (Welshy) to distinguish it as I put the name of all the source in brackets in all of my plants. So for example, if I had a Dudley Watts from Stephen then I'd label it C.f. 'Dudley Watts' (Stephen Morley) and the date I acquired it. All of this was hypothetical of course.

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I wonder how many of these plants truly carry the same characteristics. If a plant is beautifully grown in your conditions then I believe you should just be proud of your success. I don't believe it should be given a new name. A lot of growth could be attributed environmental differences, lighting, heck even water chemistry. Given random (well grown) plants names gives people false hope that there is something truly special about a plant that just found a sweet spot in your grow rack. This is why cultivators are not so easily obtained. It takes time to prove the characteristics hold true. Without the proving process there is no way to guarantee a truly special plant.

Test.

Rip out all the label tags from your cephs. If you hesitate how different are they really?

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Generally the reason why a clone is named is because it has traits and characteristics that no other plant before it has had. That's why it earns cultivar status and gets registered. If a plant is big but not spectacularly bigger than others then I believe that the best you can do is label it (clone x) perhaps with the word large in there but I would still keep things in brackets. I do like your little red/pink clone and there could be some hope for this one as a unique plant.

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Dimitars ceph factory giant clone 1

Dimitars ceph factory giant clone 2 etc,etc

I think there might be a hint of jealousy with some people here.

Dimitar has grown some very nice clones from seed,this takes time and effort.Time will tell if any of these are consistant in their size when other people get a chance to grow them in their conditions.

This will then allow us or Dimitar to decide if any of the clones are worthy of cultivar status.

keep up the good work Dimitar.

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Jcal,

To post all this plants above do u think that they don't have been tested for their characteristics a lot of years? Or u think that my conditions are just perfect to reach those size, shape etc?

Can imagine even for a bit that those are selected and crossed from different Oz wild locations plants ton get these characteristics?

Anyway, this is not personal but if ( ...no names will be quoted) do something it can be accepted by everyone but if somebody else do something it is not?

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I think there might be a hint of jealousy with some people here.

I'm not jealous, as I don't really collect the various clones - with the exception of just a few I have gained over the years. I just noticed that there seems to be quite a few named clones around recently that I have not noticed before.

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They do seem to be springing up but it does take so many years to raise these clones that I can see how the breeders are attached to them as it takes a lot of effort. I guess if a plant is different, worthy of it, showing the same characteristics for several years and preferably (if possible) also in someone else's growing conditions then of course by all means seek cultivar status.

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At the moment I wondering if I should tag all my seedlings with something other than the parental cross. Each those would then be a new named clone, making matters worse, even if just in my own collection. laugh1.gif

How can a plant produced from a seed be a clone? A clone is a genetically identical copy of another organism. A plant from a seed is genetically unique and therefore cannot be a clone.

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Just my opinion, there are also some names which are given by people who want to keep a track of their genetically distinct individuals, like Mike King or others do with their Sarracenia growlist. All of Mike's plants are not registered as cultivars (although some of them are), but you still know which plant he is referring to by the position on his list (F88 MK, L18 MK and so on).

Since species show natural variation, I don't think there is any need to name every single plants, even though they are exhibiting some nice features. Your plants are very well grown and reveal some traits that one could find in his plant if it was best cultivated. In my view, it's risky to name a plant just because you achieve to get a good looking mature plant, while a lot of Cephalotus follicularis might be the same. But I do understand if it isn't a shared point ;).

You could do the same as Mike (maybe you are already doing so) if you have many C. follicularis that you want both yourself and people to trace back, but you are not sure yet they deserve a registered status. Doing this way, you could already segregate the individuals, even add a short informal description of it and avoid any confusion with the official cultivar names which should be written between simple quote.

As time goes by, I guess that the fame of valuable plants will increase, and would lead to a cultivar description if it is worth it.

But what I see here are impressive plants, but which are not freak/special/out of this world, if you get what I mean. Your plants are showing off how C. follicularis individuals can be different from each other, like you may find it easier to notice with S. leucophylla. That reminds me what happens with VFT.

Just my two cents :).

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how do you go about registering a clone properly? my 2 seedlings that are showing tremendous growth rates might be worthy of this but im not sure how to go about it properly? im still quite far away from this as I would like to see how quickly the leaf pullings grow first but its something iv been thinking about.

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Well, I got unwanted mail with threatening words, so best to delete my post above with the pics. It seems I have disturbed some people and they interest for future money....

Actually, to mention credit for these plants that people saw in that thread to exist and to be selected after many years try and error belonged to John Yates ( snapperhead51). Thanks for having his great plants from you mate.

The names of these plants should belong to John, not me because I don't have hand for all that.

I won't post anymore such plants, not to make angry the people.

Dimitar

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I can see what Dimitar means about one person doing something well/or breeding and naming clones to cultivar status and it is accepted but by someone else it is questioned.

Dimitar, just carry on what you are doing.Eventually if enough of your ceph factory giants get out there,they will be recognised.They only need to be asked for regularly by people and the name you give it or clone numbers will stick,unless of course you describe them and publish it yourself.

Then there is no argument to answer

Dimitar if you have received threatening messages on here i apologise for these individuals.

If you have the messages still, i would contact admin and ask for action to be taken against them,or name and shame them.

ada

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