Marek Wozny Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Hello Just a few picture from my cephalotus family. This Year I have luck to see them in flower. Cephalotus normal forms : Cephalotus Hummers Giant Cephalotus Dudley Watts Cephalotus Big Boy with some albino trap : And finally Cephalotus Eden Black that was arrive to me last autumn. The most amazing is that this small one is set for me flower :-). Thanks Stephen. I hope to see some dark pitchers this summer - autumn time, need wait. Regards 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattynatureboy44 Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Nice plants, the Dudley and Eden Black already showing nice dark colouration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 The soil looks quite dry. What is your watering technique? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wozzen Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 Nice pictures Eden blacks taken off we'll, but mobile is right does seem slightly dry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veek Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 In am interested by the albino trap. Has it been covered by something and didn't get light? Why does it turn out like this? Maybe you can make a Cephalotus White Chocolate leafcutting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marek Wozny Posted June 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 (edited) It is a few days later now and the flower stalk of Eden Black looks bigger and have more reddish color. For most cephalotus I using dead sphagnum moss as top dressing. So it is usually not very wet, due loosely condition. The picture was taken last days and we have now very hot temperatures here. I using tray watering method, and refilling the water when the tray is empty. So that's why the soil looks a little dry, it was time when the water level was very low. As for the white trap, it was not covered during growth. This is a natural anomaly, which appeared in the autumn.I'm thinking about taking a leaf pulling but it's still a very small plant and leaves, so I do not know if this succeed. I will try to do leaf pulling this week and will report later about the situation. Regards Edited June 20, 2013 by Marek Wozny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marek Wozny Posted September 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Hi Just let You know only that the leaf cutting was died, so no luck in this case. But I was just end harvesting seeds - lots of normal form and great looking EDEN BLACK seeds (mostly self pollinated). I will try sow them and we see if there will be next EB generations from seeds :-). Regards 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wozzen Posted September 20, 2013 Report Share Posted September 20, 2013 Marek Any chance of a few recent pictures of the plants?? Thanks Matthew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luc Posted September 27, 2013 Report Share Posted September 27, 2013 Very nice clones ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marek Wozny Posted February 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) Hi again Just a little update and question. Hummer Giant have now 3-4 years from cutting. I need use now bigger pots, so it is time to divide. I want ask Cephalotus growers about opinion - the plant have still small traps without characteristic vertical lid. Should I wait to fully maturity of the plant to get this look ? What is Your experience with this cultivar. And here You are first seedling of Eden Black x self seeds that I was harvested in Autumn time. They was germinatef after 4 months (with cold stratification). Regards Edited February 18, 2014 by Marek Wozny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitar Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 the plant have still small traps without characteristic vertical lid. Should I wait to fully maturity of the plant to get this look ? What is Your experience with this cultivar. C.f Hummer's giant is very conditional statement and there exist 1234567654 variations in cultivation from that form. 99% from them are fakes, crosses, seed grown variations etc and the rest 1% is the real but which one from all 12345676548986767 no one knows and where it is also no one knows, because everyone think that his plant is the real one. However, your plant is enough mature and should form vertical lids if it has those genes in it. Not only Hummer's giant form vertical lids of the pitchers but many others cultivars, not cultivars and even so called " typical" Cephalotus. So, if your plant called Hummer's giant will form vertical lids or not, it's not typical characteristic if your plant is genuine or not but this isn't so important. Just enjoy your plant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jozef Havrilcak Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 How big pitcher have man what u sold plant? only for information maybe i lought? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I have no way of knowing with 100% certainty if my 'Hummer's Giant' is genuine and I suspect that is the case for many. I can trace it back through some reputable growers, but not all the way back to the originator. Unless one can trace it back to the originator then how can one be certain it is genuine? This is true of any variety that does not have definite distinguishable characteristics that are not present in any other variety. So, at the end of the day we should enjoy our plants for what they are, rather than what they are supposed to be or what someone has called them and in the case of your plant it looks nice... so enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marek Wozny Posted February 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I will arrange some improvement. Will put the plant in the more shaded area. Growing in full sun is always good for nice colour but the traps growing smaller. As for the origin, I have confirm that very mature mother plant developing 6cm traps. So my only question was to check how it looks this in other collections - especially I want know how it is with the vertical lid. It can be also full sun actions, and when the plant will grow in a little shade the humidity and temperature will be changing - developing bigger and more opened traps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapperhead51 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) got some nice plants there , showing good colour and shape, congrats. As far as lids question, if they become vertical lid or not from full sun or any other growing habit , personally think not, it will depend as mentioned before on the type or genus of the particular plant weather it carries the vertical lid genus, I have a plant or 2, 1 in particular , not Hummer not any other name, that do this , all the time, hot , cold , full sun shade, its there habit . As for plants that lift there lids in full sun , " most " dont go to vertical, more to over 1/2 to 3/4 ,and close when under stress , lack of pitcher water or over heating or going to die at times. and will depend on your climate and growing conditions how its affected ,every ones climate and growing conditions is different,and probably get different results. As far as Hummer having vertical lids, all the hummers or so called hummer here in AU , none that I know over have vertical lids, , my friend who has one of the original plant lines ,never caries a vertical lid in his plants that I have seen. Edited February 20, 2014 by snapperhead51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marek Wozny Posted February 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Thank you all for your opinions. I have an idea and I have to study it, I think I know the answer to the HG puzzle. Give me a few days to take photographs and calculations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marek Wozny Posted February 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) . Edited February 24, 2014 by Marek Wozny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jozef Havrilcak Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) Edited February 24, 2014 by Jozef Havrilcak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitar Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Koen, why your plant doesn't make vertical lids of the pitchers mate lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marek Wozny Posted February 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Jozef Thanks for pictures. Your HCG is definitely other than my. I will try post some calculation in next days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jozef Havrilcak Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Nobody has the same "HG". This is the bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenofeden Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Jozef, your plant is very nice. It looks different to the two clones I have labelled as HG, which are both different to each other! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veek Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Koen, why your plant doesn't make vertical lids of the pitchers mate lol Hmmm maybe I have better/other growing conditions. My pitchers don't look burned either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapperhead51 Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 (edited) So from what I see here and read, you have several different clones/ forms of Hummer, ?? how can this be ! , there is only one plant not several types / forms , , !! some thing not right here , if its different its different not original plant !. look back to original source ! The original plant from Steve Beckworth sent to John Hummer has not change at all , its still the same here , not evolved or bigger lids, different shaped, more teeth what ever, that's crap , , so if you dont have a true looking hummer plant , well guess you ant got one ,and some one has given you a dud plant !! or a copy or crossed seed grown plant. dont give me it can change or its crossed or evolved, that's bull , if its original that what it is, it dont change , only intervention changes it!,, .if that is so then it should have been name so , hummer cross or self plant ,seed grown , what ever only crossing may change it in some way given some variations that should not be there !. !once again think $$ singes in some peoples eyes has sent out incorrect /non original plants to people !! Edited February 27, 2014 by snapperhead51 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenofeden Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 As has been said before, there are more than one plant being grown as Hummers Giant. Whether any if them are identical to the original is unknown. This is also true of other cultivars/clones, particularly Big Boy and vigprous clumping. More recently there is a dark pitchered form with this label. Although attractive this is definitely not the cultivar. What did not help was the editors note on the cultivar description, which stated that any large Ceph in collections was likely to be this cultivar! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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