Carolina Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 I doubt (or hope) that many of the people here would not purchase CP they knew were illegally taken from the wild. If I can help :hiding: get any of these guys busted or arrested :jail: , I would hop on the opportunity. I'd like to poach me a few of these creeps and make them extinct. :phear: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest abs0lutely Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 LoL! I'm loving the use of smileys. Totally terrible that this kinda thing still goes on. Like there aren't enough TC'd VFTs to go around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepenthesleep Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 If you want older rhizomes, www.meanplants.com sells 10 year old bulbs for half the price. Plus they are recommended by Barry which means it's good because he's a real stickler about poaching. You have to click on VFTs, then click on they type of trap you want, regular, dente, rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike King Posted July 27, 2004 Report Share Posted July 27, 2004 With tissue culture and with flytraps able to multiply 3 fold or more per year, you wonder why people still bother poaching.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolina Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Good point Mike King. July of 2003 I got 1 mature venus fly trap. It flowered, I learned how to self pollinate, and now have >23 "babies" and a total of >24 VFTs. :-) I already have good homes for most of them, but there should be no reason what-so-ever to pluck these from the wild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denmark.dk Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 It must be impatience that made them do it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul O'Keeffe Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 While we are on this subject, please don't buy the book 'Carnivorous Plants of the World' - Pietropaulo........the authors are the people this thread was started about. First book I bought Didn't know about these people beforehand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepenthesleep Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 It's also less effort to propagate plants that going into the wetlands and getting plants that are probably unhealthy for other plants (wild plants are more stout I guess). And it's not just the poaching problem w/ PP's either. I read the letters and sarracenia.com and even his service sucks. I still don't see why nothing is done about him. I guess the gov doesn't care about plants and conserving wildlife. they just act like they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilnadon Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 I ordered plants from Peter Paul's about 7 years ago. This was of course long before I knew anything about him suporting and even participating in illegal and inconsiderate field collecting of rare and in some cases endangered CPs. I ordered several of the 10+ year old VFT bulbs. All of them arrived in good shape. I planted them in individual 4" pots and they all started growing immediately, flowered, and set seed. They were all very large plants as well, producing long petioles and large leaves (traps). Half of them also divided in the very first year I had them. Having said all that, my one isolated transaction with PPs went well, but I would never order from that maggot again now that I know what he thinks. :gunfirej: :firing: :bullethole: :rambo: :sniper: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tamlin Dawnstar Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 I visited the man and his collection in the early 70's. He offered me 50 cents for every seed pod of S. purpurea I would collect. He said he wanted a bushel basket if I could provide them and offered me a cutting of the impossible rare D. schizandra (the finest example I have ever seen BTW). As you can imagine, I refused. Regarding the sasle of wild collected material, a permit may be had to allow unlimited collection. The cost? One dollar. This is why boycott of ANY wild collected material is essential. Once a permit is in hand it allows the wholesale rape of a population, and who is to say where the plants were actually dug? Wild collection for resale MUST be boycotted even if legal as taxes! This goes for the Australian tubers as well! You can't pick and choose who is allowed to do this, or not. Please support Phill Mann's efforts to place Western Australlian material into TC and refuse to purchase field collected Drosera tubers. Some of the tuberous Drosera are every bit as endangered as VFT's here in the U.S. and reports I have had indicate that there has been great impact on several populations. One entire population of Drosera zonaria which Phill visited all his life have vanished without a trace other than tire tracks where they used to be found. It may be that they died off from environmental reasons, but how can we be sure? As for 10 year old cultivated VFT bulbs, use a little thought! Who can afford to grow these plants for a decade and then sell them for a few bucks? 10 year old bulbs are wild collected, period! I don't care if JC himself issued the permit or gives a thumbs up to such dealers, I don't buy it (literally!), and I hope you won't either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jasper3rd Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Way dose evrybody hate this (PETER PAULS)? jasper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic brown Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 Because they sell endangered and protected CPs that have been poached from the wild. Try reading the link that was posted near the beginning of the thread; http://www.sarracenia.com/faq/faq6010b.html Vic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jasper3rd Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 I see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattgmccabe Posted October 9, 2004 Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 ... cutting them up for a herbal medicine supplier (possibly for use in a certain large Communist country whose name I won't mention). .... which large communist country could that be Alvin?? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 Ok I usualy don't defend people on these forums but you all are condeming this guy without researching it, The wY he finds places to collect from the wild is he finds sights that are going to be drained to build on or bulldozed for some sort of mall or other costruction or roadway, when I bought from him I did my research and my sources had no association with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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