Kevin Tonnerre Posted May 14, 2013 Report Share Posted May 14, 2013 This might or might not be Pinguicula apuana ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted May 14, 2013 Report Share Posted May 14, 2013 Beautiful flower Kevin, thank you for sharing it with us. Best regards, Rodrigo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel O. Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 Hi Kevin, i cannot help you with the ID but the flower is nice. Best regards, Daniel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimscott Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 LOL! nice looking butterwort! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisscool_38 Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 Perhaps yes. As being a hybrid swarm, you should expect to have many variations from seeds, including nearly identical to P. vulgaris like this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Evans Posted May 15, 2013 Report Share Posted May 15, 2013 Err, not knowing about this location, I was going to say it just looks like a P. vulgaris... What is the other parent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisscool_38 Posted May 16, 2013 Report Share Posted May 16, 2013 It should be P. mariae. I've seen pictures of P. apuana depicting plants morphologically close to this one. Further DNA analysis should tell us more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Tonnerre Posted May 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 The hybrid-theory has yet to be proven via DNA analysis and artificial crossings. I am still not entirely convinced, since P. apuana doesnt look exactly like a crossing of these two parent specimens, in my opinion. Yet, i am open to this thesis and i hope we will find an answer in near future. The high variability of P. apuana is quite impressive, tough. I hope i can get some seed of this clone and will see how the next generation looks like, with maybe some more "typical" ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisscool_38 Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 I am still not entirely convinced, since P. apuana doesnt look exactly like a crossing of these two parent specimens, in my opinion. You have to take into acount introgression of both the parents into the hybrid swarm. Only the F1 generation will be exactly inbetween both parents. F2 and more generations will show plants closer to one parent or the other. The second thing is that most of P. apuana populations are growing at higher altitudes, where the true P. vulgaris also happens. That is to say P. apuana is influence by only one of its parents with backcrosses. Then P. apuana tends to be closer to P. vulgaris than to P. mariae. On the contrary, in a few stations where P. apuana meets P. mariae, here you can find P. apuana specimens closer to P. mariae than to P. vulgaris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando Rivadavia Posted May 19, 2013 Report Share Posted May 19, 2013 The hybrid-theory has yet to be proven via DNA analysis and artificial crossings. The species hypothesis of P.apuana also needs to be further investigated. This is a complicated one for sure and I think all options are still open for (much) debate. DNA will certainly play a critical role in teasing this mystery apart, but at the moment there's simply not enough data to decisively decide for either the species or hybrid hypothesis. Best wishes, Fernando Rivadavia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Posted June 29, 2013 Report Share Posted June 29, 2013 beautiful plant and nice photos! Regards, Natalia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoLongFairWell Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veek Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 Question ... pinguicula apuana grown from seed can it be called pinguicula apuana? And the same question goes for hirtiflora. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisscool_38 Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 No problem for Pinguicula hirtiflora, this is a true species. Then it is problematic for P. apuana. Should we called P. apuana only the F1 hybrids or any plant that is not a true P. vulgaris or P. mariae? In fact, the name P. apuana has been given to a bench of populations that surely contain F1, F2, F3... hybrids. So that I think a seedling from P. apuana can also be called P. apuana. But as there seems to be a morphological continuum between P. vulgaris and P. apuana, the real problem is to put a clear limit between both species, and you can expect to have borderline plants from a seedling of P. apuana. A complicated case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted August 1, 2013 Report Share Posted August 1, 2013 No problem for Pinguicula hirtiflora, this is a true species. Aymeric, as well as P. histiflora is a true species? I always thought she was a subspecies of P. crystallina. Now I'm confused ! Best regards, Rodrigo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisscool_38 Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 Its placement under a distinct species or a subspecies of P. crystallina, is a matter of opinion. I would rather treat all those taxa as distinct species. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisscool_38 Posted August 2, 2013 Report Share Posted August 2, 2013 (edited) double post Edited August 2, 2013 by kisscool_38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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