Jonathan F. Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 Are these the same nepenthes? Nepenthes 1 By jonathan_f at 2012-08-28 By jonathan_f at 2012-08-28 Nepenthes 2 By jonathan_f at 2012-08-28 By jonathan_f at 2012-08-28 SORRY FOR THE BAD PHOTOS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild11112 Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 these both look like nepenthis sanguinea to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twargor Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 These are the same neps and it is N. 'Rebecca Soper' :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivers.SND Posted August 28, 2012 Report Share Posted August 28, 2012 Both are nice ´Rebecca Soper´ ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan F. Posted August 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2012 OH..I was told the nepenthes 1 was N.Ramispina as this is the plant when I got it. By jonathan_f at 2012-08-29 And after two months By jonathan_f at 2012-08-29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Evans Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 these both look like nepenthes sanguinea to me Well, it is there, but these seem to favor their N. ramispina parent... There are some sanguinea/ramispina hybrids which are labeled as just "N. sanguinea" for some reason which might be why you're thinking it is sanguinea. They probably mixed up the plants when small, as they can be nearly identical to the pure species (both have the same leaf shape but usually different color). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 (edited) i think rebecca soper too,think its ramispina x vent ,have a look http://www.hantsflytrap.com/nmc045-nepenthes-cv-rebecca-soper-90-p.asp Edited February 26, 2014 by corky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreLima Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Hi FILLTHEHOLE its a rebeca i got the same pitchers on my rebecas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Blimey dave this is an old post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Evans Posted February 27, 2014 Report Share Posted February 27, 2014 (edited) I know, but people are still confused about how to ID Nepenthes... The main issue at the heart of this is the "species" plants on the ramispina/sanguinea side isn't named. The name (perhaps) should read like this, "N. ramispina/sanguinea X N. ventricosa". The plants have formed into hybrid swarms and some locations didn't even have pure species left before being developed. The hybrids almost always used to get labeled as one of the parent species, usually the one it favors but not always. For example, BE-3162 appears to have ramispina influence even though the location has been reviewed several times and N. ramispina has never been found there. But we can still see its genes in this photo of what is being sold as pure "sanguinea" http://www.borneoexo...4-1 (0259).jpg Edited February 27, 2014 by Dave Evans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) ha,i am pretty sure i grow that plant too,an upper and not the best lower pic,what do you think Dave,pesky hybrid? Edited February 28, 2014 by corky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Evans Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) Very much so... If there was a natural nep hybrid that really needs a name, well this is it. I don't think it being a "hybrid" is an issue with regards to the value of the plant. Or I guess the hybrids can be "pesky" as they make ID'ing species harder in the first place as you're always left to wonder when looking at a natural system no one is very familiar with, which is the chicken and which is the egg? Am I looking at natural variation, or a hybrid swarm? With Nepenthes, they form hybrid swarms rather rarely, but do frequently hybridize whenever different species overlap. This plant, ramispina x sanguinea, actually forms stands of multiple individuals that continue breeding almost like a species, thus the need to a provide this natural entity a botanical name. Edited February 28, 2014 by Dave Evans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 (edited) cheers Dave ,i had my suspicions ,shouldn't BE change the description ,should i now label it as a hybrid and if so how do you label it if you don't know which was the seed parent,thanks again for your help,oh after rereading your post you think it should have its own natural hybrid name? Edited March 1, 2014 by corky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Evans Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Yes, at the location there aren't any N. ramispina, but it does still seem present in hybrids like the plant you're growing. Since everyone just keep putting the hybrids under the names N. sanguinea or N. ramispina and it hasn't seemed to cross anyone's mind to actually name this plant... Which seems rather odd to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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