Daniel O. Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Hi all, i grow i big number of mature D. spiralis (graminifolia) from ´Itacambira´ and ´Diamantina´ and most of them are in flower at the moment but this one is really strange, it´s a form from ´Itacambira´. First of all it´s a very compact and robust plant, since a few months it started to produce a big number of side shots (all the others don´t do it). The leafes are about 20cm long but several of them are branching in the upper part of the leafes, really strange. Furthermore the flower scapes do have a big number of tentacles in the upper part (relatively small leafes with tentacles between the flowers), even the sepals do have a big number of tentacles. All my other D. spiralis look absolutely "normal". Here are some pictures from two weeks ago. Here several side shots are visible Here you can see the development of a 3 forked leaf (in the left part of the picture) the hole plant Here you can see some of the tentacles on the developing flower scape and some of the folked leafes And some flowers, it´s a three forked flower scape and here is a one of the small leaves with tentacles visible. some mutant flowers here the tentacles are clearly visible, even on the petals This flower is from the small plant which sprouted out of the roots some time ago, it also has these tentacles on the sepals. What do you think about these strange tentacles? Best regards, Dani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisscool_38 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) Wahoo! Nice hybrid between Drosera graminifolia and Drosera binata. Congrats Daniel To be serious, this is a fasciation process: several leaves are partially fused together, flower scapes quite entirely... This is the same phenomenom on Drosera capensis 'Crêtées' (crested in english). This is mostly due to viruses. Some Dionaea also do that, I know a population of Pinguicula vulgaris where most of the plants do that. Edited February 21, 2018 by kisscool_38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonk Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Freaky, but funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khelljuhg Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 D. filiformis can behave in a similar way. It would be interesting if this were heritable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlatokrt Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Very interesting! Would be nice to know, what induces the offsprings production Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will T Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 yes, i've a pot of filiformis doing the same thing all the time ^^ thx for share it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel O. Posted February 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) @Aymeric, i remember you have shown here last year some pictures of these strange P. vulgaris in one of my postings about the double flower of my P. caerulea. A virus, hmm, in this case you are talking about the forked leafes and the fused flowers? But what about the tentacles on the sepals and the small leafes with tentacles between the flowers? @Khelljuhg and Will, till now i have not seen such a phenomenom in the case of D. filiformis, do you have any pictures? @Adam, i have nothing against these offsprings, it looks really great. Best regards, Dani Edited February 9, 2012 by Daniel O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Rohrbacher Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Hi Daniel, I saw folked leafes in a big quantity of plants in habitat in last setember in Diamantina (Minas Gerais Expedition), I saw this big bunch of flowers in this location and others too, but I didn't saw something like this abnormal flower. This plant produce viable seeds? Regards. Carlos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlatokrt Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Dani: i ment it would be nice, if it was possible, to induce the offspring production for purpose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel O. Posted February 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) @Adam, of course it would be very nice, for the moment it´s the only plant which does it. In a few months hopefully i will have a nice cluster of plants. @Carlos, so these forked leafes also occur in nature. Have you taken some pictures of such leafes on your last Minas Gerais expedition? I really wonder why these tentacles are there. And yes, this plant does produce viable seed. Best regards, Dani Edited February 10, 2012 by Daniel O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paweł Król Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) From different topic: As for variation: Errr, have you ever checked the level of radioactive radiation in your surrounding? Perhaps that´s the reason for so many mutations...*duck and run* yeah.... radioactive radiation level can be to high. first p.pumila than drosera...... Take care for yourself. or maybe it's too late. Check out if you haven't somewhere third growing hand or something. I'm serious ;-P Greetings, Pawel Edited February 10, 2012 by Paweł Król Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Earl Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Very interesting Daniel. And top quality photographic work. The flora shots are brilliant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Rohrbacher Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 @Carlos, so these forked leafes also occur in nature. Have you taken some pictures of such leafes on your last Minas Gerais expedition? I really wonder why these tentacles are there. I will look in my pictures. And yes, this plant does produce viable seed. The 'sons' have these forked leaves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel O. Posted February 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) Many thanks Earl. @Pawel, nice quotation. Till now i´m OK but a third growing hand would be really useful. @Carlos, it would be really nice if you could find some pictures with forked leafes. The "sons" are still too small, this plant started to produce these forked leafes when it was adult and flowered for the first time two years ago. And the interesting thing about these leafes is that they are mainly produced before and while flowering. Best regards, Dani Edited February 13, 2012 by Daniel O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Evans Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 This sounds like a sport mutation. It might not be inheritable via seed, just through division. Depends on whether it is a genetic mutation (inheritable) or a mutation in the way the genes are read--a one time change that doesn't affect the genes themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel O. Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Hi Dave, probably you are right that only devisions will keep this "mutation", future will show it. Best regards, Dani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulo Minatel Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Hi Dani, Beautiful plant you have there! But some features you showed are not that uncommon! D. spiralis quite often have small leaves along the scape (with stipules and everything), and the tentacles on the sepals is a common characteristic of this species (one of the several that distinguishes it from true D. graminifolia). Here some photos: BUT, fused leaves and lateral shoots are not that common! In our last trip to Minas Gerais we found lots of mutant plants, including some very nice ones with the sepals completely transformed into "normal" leaves! Here some photos by Adilson: Cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Rohrbacher Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 @Carlos, it would be really nice if you could find some pictures with forked leafes. No work to me, thanks Paulo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel O. Posted February 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 Wow, many thanks for showing these pictures Paulo, also many thanks to Adilson for his pictures. These are really freaky flower scapes , somehow unbelievable. They look very interesting. It must be really dangerous for insects to pollinate these flowers. Till now i have not seen any tentacles on the sepals or small leafes in the upper part of the flower scapes on the CP photofinder, that was the reason why i thought that it could be uncommon. You mentioned that these tentacles on the sepals are common for D. spiralis in contrast to D. graminifolia but all my other 9 adult plants (nearly the same size but not that compact in growth) do not show these characteristics. Last year this plant had some tentacles on the sepals but the number has been much smaller in comparison to this year. Could it depend on the size, age or compactness of the plants? And again, many thanks for sharing these pictures. Best regards, Dani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisscool_38 Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) Incredible! Looks like plants from outer space. Could someone clearly explain the differences between Drosera graminifolia and Drosera spiralis please? Edited February 21, 2018 by kisscool_38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlatokrt Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 Wow, pretty interesting flowers. Sepals transformed into "normal" leaves? I have never seen something like that before on any other Drosera! Adam PS: I would be interested in D. spiralis vs. graminifolia characteristic too :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Rohrbacher Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 PS: I would be interested in D. spiralis vs. graminifolia characteristic too :-) Me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulo Minatel Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 Could someone clearly explain the differences between Drosera graminifolia and Drosera spiralis please? In a new article really soon! Cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khelljuhg Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 @Khelljuhg and Will, till now i have not seen such a phenomenom in the case of D. filiformis, do you have any pictures? This link has a couple of photos of a freaky D. filiformis: http://sky.ap.teacup.com/happygrowing/239.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel O. Posted February 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 In a new article really soon! Aaah, good news. @Khelljuhg, many thanks for the link, the first picture is indeed very similar in comparison to the third picture Paulo showed, very interesting. Best regards, Dani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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