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Hello guys, I was thinking about purchasing a N. macrophylla from CZPlants, I wanted to know your experiences with this plant from this store, and if you have some pics to show and encourage me it would be great :biggrin:

Thank you so much!

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Thanks for your answers, I think I'm going to order first a N. dubia and a D. schizandra to see how good the plants arrive, and if I like how they are, I'll order the N. macrophylla.

kona10, thanks for your advice, I don't have any problem with that, as I live 2600 meters over sea level, temperature at night is perfect to grow any highland here, I already have a N. rajah very happy and the picture in my avatar is my first pitcher of N. jamban made at home, so I think I'm ready for a N. macrophylla.

snowwy that was a very good plant, good size and very healthy, thanks for sharing.

I specially opened this topic because I heard a rumor about N. macrophylla from Wistuba is not a true N. macrophylla, so I wanted to know if CZPlants sells the original one. Besides, I don't want to say bad things about Wistuba nor other stores but me and many people from a Mexican forum had very bad experiences so we are not purchasing plants from him anymore, that's why I'm looking for new altenatives to get rare plants.

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CZ plants is an agent for Borneo Exotics... and sells plants from Wistuba too.

So, the plants you get will be the plants you expect from those suppliers... I don't know if the macrophylla plants from cz are the BE or AW clones. BE's are supposed to be the real deal, AW is said to have two clones, one of which might have xTM influences (someone might be able to jump in her with more detail.)

I've had nothing but good experiences with cz plants- all plants arrived quickly in good condition- and they were able to supply carnunculata robusta from AW when AW couldn't supply it himself!

If you start to go through the ordering procedure, you'll get to a page before you place your order and pay where you'll see the oder codes for the plants... it's not hard to work out what's what at that stage... the number is preceded by "BE" or "W", so not hard to work out the origin of the plants.

At that stage, you pay your money and take your choice! (Or not).

I'm growing the BE clone and god it's slow.... it was happier last year when I had warmer temperatures, but in a year it's gone from about 2cm diameter to 10cm diameter and I haven't had a new pitcher for 9 months...

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If you start to go through the ordering procedure, you'll get to a page before you place your order and pay where you'll see the oder codes for the plants... it's not hard to work out what's what at that stage... the number is preceded by "BE" or "W", so not hard to work out the origin of the plants.

The picture on the species page links to http://www.czplants..../male/w0025.jpg. I have checked an order I made in the past for a different species and the picture URL matches the order code. Looking at a few more species pictures on their site - some link to URLs containing 'be' others 'ep', so maybe w0025 is their code for macrophylla and 'w' is the supplier key?

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I've bought from them in the past and while the plants were healthy, I was always a little disappointed with the size of them.

For that reason I would only buy from them if I couldn't get the plant from a different supplier.

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I specially opened this topic because I heard a rumor about N. macrophylla from Wistuba is not a true N. macrophylla, so I wanted to know if CZPlants sells the original one. Besides, I don't want to say bad things about Wistuba nor other stores but me and many people from a Mexican forum had very bad experiences so we are not purchasing plants from him anymore, that's why I'm looking for new altenatives to get rare plants.

Sorry just read this bit. I didn't buy the macrophylla from Wistuba for that reason, instead I bought from Thomas Carow as I read that he sells the real deal.

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I specially opened this topic because I heard a rumor about N. macrophylla from Wistuba is not a true N. macrophylla, so I wanted to know if CZPlants sells the original one. Besides, I don't want to say bad things about Wistuba nor other stores but me and many people from a Mexican forum had very bad experiences so we are not purchasing plants from him anymore, that's why I'm looking for new altenatives to get rare plants.

Of cause you may share your experiences, good or bad, but to be fair you should also mention that this mexican purchasers ordered from me even though they did not have an import permit and ordered very clearly on their own risk. The import process was their job. After having made such an agreement and plants got confiscated in customs it's simply unfair to blame the seller and ask for money back...!

My customers know that I always refund or change plants if there is a problem I'm responsible for (and in many other cases as well....) but this has to happen based on sales terms. According to my sales terms I guarantee for healthy arrival within the EU, Switzerland, Japan, Canada and the USA. For all other countries we supply the documents requested by the buyer but the import process is their responsibility. Everybody ordering through the shop has to agree to these sales terms during order process.

So please stay fair!

Andreas

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Sorry just read this bit. I didn't buy the macrophylla from Wistuba for that reason, instead I bought from Thomas Carow as I read that he sells the real deal.

So who do you think propagates these plants......?

Frankly speaking, these are the same sets of clones!

All the best

Andreas

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Guest Andreas Eils

Hi Andreas,

I always thought Thomas and you would grow and sell the same N. macrophylla clones. I am surprised to read they are supposed to be different. huh.gif

Greetings

Andreas

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So who do you think propagates these plants......?

Frankly speaking, these are the same sets of clones!

All the best

Andreas

Thanks for joining the topic.

Just to be clear, are Mr Carow's macrophylla and your macrophylla from the same clone?

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Of cause you may share your experiences, good or bad, but to be fair you should also mention that this mexican purchasers ordered from me even though they did not have an import permit and ordered very clearly on their own risk. The import process was their job. After having made such an agreement and plants got confiscated in customs it's simply unfair to blame the seller and ask for money back...!

I knew about this case, plants got confiscated because the label declared the pack contained "alive plants", and yes this was fault of the one who ordered for ordering on his own risk, but we had not had problems with that before untill Ups was chosen as package delivery company. The plants in the custom had two choices: to be returned to Germany and stay alive or to be incinerated, the plants could be returned only under your request, but it's a shame now 40 plants are coil...

But I was not talking about that case, at least two orders in the past contained plants too tiny to be sold and didn't even survive the travel. You sell nice plants but you should send bigger and stronger plants as it is hard to deal with tiny and dying plants.

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I knew about this case, plants got confiscated because the label declared the pack contained "alive plants", and yes this was fault of the one who ordered for ordering on his own risk, but we had not had problems with that before untill Ups was chosen as package delivery company. The plants in the custom had two choices: to be returned to Germany and stay alive or to be incinerated, the plants could be returned only under your request, but it's a shame now 40 plants are coil...

I always recommend UPS with higher plant values, especially to countries I have little or bad experience with postal runtimes. In the past I had cases that plants arrived in Mexico after a few weeks with standard shipping.

And of cause we declared live plants! Neither UPS nor our company is in smuggeling business!

We run a legal business and of cause do not falsify any declaration! Are you aware what you are asking for....in public??!!! You are asking for criminal acts!

We sell live plants, ship live plants and of cause declare live plants. We equip our shipments with legal documents to allow entry into most countries without any problem. The fact that you missed to apply for an import permit is not our fault and I clearly refuse to take responsibility for such an obvious mistake you made.

In addition I cannot just take back a shipment once it has been in another country. It would have had to be equipped with phytosanitary documents from Mexico having touched Mexican ground which obviously could not be supplied. The result of a shipment without documents would have been a confiscation in Germany and another EUR 100 waste of transport fees. Would that have helped????

I tried to explain this to you over and over again by eMail and it does not help to start complaining in forums, trying to damage our reputation.

BTW, before this incident I never had a complaint about sick or small plants from you....

I'll not comment this any further - sorry.

Regards

Andreas Wistuba

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I decided to get an N. macrophylla from Andreas, and I have to say that it convinced that it is the real thing. It fits the descriptions I've read and seen, and other smaller plants from other sources. It is very vigorous and never slowed down since I received in November 2010. I know someone else who has a much larger clone from Andreas, and it is definitely a N. macrophylla.

I feel that I have to say that in my experience, Andreas has sent very good quality plants. Sure some are on the small side, however they have all been very healthy and survived. I say that is what you pay for more econominic prices, I recently recieved N. tentaculata, N. tenuis, and N. artistolochioides from him and I was very happy with them.

I also know that he honours his customers when they claim a plant arrived damaged or dead by replacing them. It is very hard to control conditions once you drop off a box of plants to a courier, it is no longer under the watchful and careful eye of an experienced grower.

I just wanted to add my point of view from what I have experienced.

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I agree with Carnivoure12 about Andreas's plants. I haven't bought macrophylla from him- but I've bought at least 30 (!) other plants from him over the last couple of years- and I only have positive things to say.

Some arrive on the small side, but they are all healthy and well hardened to greenhouse conditions; all have all settled in well, and I haven't lost a single plant.

Nep growing is a very specialist niche hobby; Andreas supplies some of the rarest species... and with my collector's mentality, I'm glad to be able to get the plants as soon as I and grow them on, rather than have to wait years for a supplier to release larger plants.

In addition, Andreas has been outstanding when it comes to sorting out a problem with one of my orders, and I've seen other threads on other forums where he has replaced rare and expensive plants that have died during shipping.

So- top marks to Andreas all round from my experience.

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I agree with Carnivoure12 about Andreas's plants. I haven't bought macrophylla from him- but I've bought at least 30 (!) other plants from him over the last couple of years- and I only have positive things to say.

Some arrive on the small side, but they are all healthy and well hardened to greenhouse conditions; all have all settled in well, and I haven't lost a single plant.

Nep growing is a very specialist niche hobby; Andreas supplies some of the rarest species... and with my collector's mentality, I'm glad to be able to get the plants as soon as I and grow them on, rather than have to wait years for a supplier to release larger plants.

In addition, Andreas has been outstanding when it comes to sorting out a problem with one of my orders, and I've seen other threads on other forums where he has replaced rare and expensive plants that have died during shipping.

So- top marks to Andreas all round from my experience.

I thought a picture might help. I bought a macrophylla from Andreas three years ago and this is the latest pitcher:

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Wiser

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Nice plant Wiser, its peristome looks like the original's marcophylla, maybe it is a different clone.

I just found 2 Jeremiah's pictures comparing his gorgeous plants

This is a seed grown macrophylla (the real deal)

http://coloradocarnivorousplantsociety.com/2010-4-15_Nepenthes/DSC_3014.JPG

And this is his AW clone

http://coloradocarnivorousplantsociety.com/2010-4-15_Nepenthes/DSC_3001.JPG

http://leilaninepenthes.com/Images/2011-5-25-N-macro-3.JPG

Maybe I'm paranoid but AW clone has some lowii features for me...

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I though those pitchers were from the same plant? I have to admit that I've seen those pictures . . . whatever that clone was it seems that it has been discontinued from what I've heard. Also that first pitcher looks like the older pitchers of the second AW plant, it could bery well exhibit the peristome in the second picture later on.

N. macrophylla is a variable species (some might debate its an ancient hybrid). A lot of plants in the wild that are classified as N. macrophylla look quite similiar tio the ones above.

It would be interesting if Andreas could comment on this further.

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Nice plant Wiser, its peristome looks like the original's marcophylla, maybe it is a different clone.

I just found 2 Jeremiah's pictures comparing his gorgeous plants

This is a seed grown macrophylla (the real deal)

http://coloradocarnivorousplantsociety.com/2010-4-15_Nepenthes/DSC_3014.JPG

And this is his AW clone

http://coloradocarnivorousplantsociety.com/2010-4-15_Nepenthes/DSC_3001.JPG

http://leilaninepenthes.com/Images/2011-5-25-N-macro-3.JPG

Maybe I'm paranoid but AW clone has some lowii features for me...

I have no clue, which AW clone this is, but it's certainly neither clone 5 nor clone T which are the two only clones I sold in the last 4 or 5 years.

It would also help if you would stop calling a plant of N. macrophylla _the_ "AW" clone. I have several clones in vitro, two of which are currently sold (5 and T). The rest are backups that are not in propagation. Both of these come close to the picture posted by Wiser. Clone T is more compact and 5 grows quicker and bigger but with both of them I see no traces of N. lowii.

Further, if you say that the plants of Thomas Carow are the real thing while mine are not, this is most ridiculous, since both come from the same lab. And that's mine....!

Andreas

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I have no clue, which AW clone this is, but it's certainly neither clone 5 nor clone T which are the two only clones I sold in the last 4 or 5 years.

It would also help if you would stop calling a plant of N. macrophylla _the_ "AW" clone. I have several clones in vitro, two of which are currently sold (5 and T). The rest are backups that are not in propagation. Both of these come close to the picture posted by Wiser. Clone T is more compact and 5 grows quicker and bigger but with both of them I see no traces of N. lowii.

Further, if you say that the plants of Thomas Carow are the real thing while mine are not, this is most ridiculous, since both come from the same lab. And that's mine....!

Andreas

Thanks for clearing that up. It might be better known in Germany of the association between yourself and Thomas Carow but this is the first I had ever heard of it (and probably others) so not that ridiculous...

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