mobile Posted December 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2010 (edited) I've never been worried about losing a few plants in the search of knowledge. I like to question convention. Sure there are reasons why the convention originated, maybe from gained knowledge or maybe assumed because of how they grow in habitat, or sometimes how people think they grow in habitat. One that comes to mind is Mexican Pinguicula, which in their natural environment typically grow in a mostly mineral substrate (so I'm told), so this must be the best growing medium for them... right? Well, in my conditions they grow far better in a multipurpose compost. Given this, in the wild, do they survive but not thrive? OK, over time they would probably (possibly?) lose the ability to capture prey if soil nutrients were available to them, but is this really an issue in the short time they are possessed by a grower? Davion, some 'old' people have forgotten more than some younger people have every learnt BTW... the fastest growing of this batch of Cephalotus seedlings is the one that I potted on in a mix of Levingtons multi-purpose compost and sand!... but CPs don't like nutrient rich soils Edited December 12, 2010 by mobile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davion Posted December 12, 2010 Report Share Posted December 12, 2010 "I"-'Think'-We're Slowly-Learning What-R Bullshit-Story The-LOW-Nutrient-Theory Was. I-Mean Even The-Commercial-Places R-Now Beginning to-Mention that-They're 'Fertilizing'!!! >(*~*)< What-R Turn-around or-About-Face 'Thart'-IS!!! >(*~*)< / >(*U^)< (1) Good-Source of HEMICELLULOSE for Nutrient-Storage. (2) Plenty-of-Aluminium [Especially If-You're 'Trying' to-Use CHEAP-Coir] to Keep The Acidity (pH) Strong-&-Low that Releases Normally 'Bleaches'-OUT Normally-Sequestered Nutrients Such-as Iron / Manganese & Cerium / Molybdenum &-Helps Bring-OUT That Golden-Yellow 'Look' or Appearance of The-Plants Away from The Growing (RED) Centres &-Leaf-Bases (Flavas: ... Yellow-at-The-Top / 'Glauceous' at the-Bottom, Dionaea, Drosera-peltata Etc., Etc..). (3) Magnesium, Zinc-&-Strontium as-R-Natural Heathl'oo'nd-Substitute for Calcium &-Promotor of Cyanobactia [NOSTOC]. Will 'Lock'-UP Iron, Overtime ... Hence The-Need for Cerium / Other? (4) Some-Nickel to-Keep The-Mycorrhiza (Generica-australis) 'Happy' as-Well-as Keep Sulphur-Content of Medium Low Which Not-Only Promotes Healthy Mycorrhizal-Growth (IE They Have to-'Work' to-Get-It Ie Into The Hemicellulose.) but-Also Has Benefits for-Cyanobacteria from The-Molybdenum Point-of-View if-You 'Search' The-Net. (5) Keep Copper on-R-Par with Nickel-or-lower &-Add some-Chromium as-R Retardent against Penicillium spp., if-You're Using Copper as-Well-as &-Avoid Cobalt Which-Appears to-Be Dispproportional Detrimental to the Growth of CPs in-General. The-Last-Two [Copper-&-Cobalt] Probably 'Imply' Further Substitutional Investigation. The-Price of The-Lanthanides Has Come-down Enough Now Since The-Late-Nineties for-This to-Be 'Work' for-You to-Persue ... For-I've Kind'a' Done-My-Bit / Paid My-Dues so-to-Speak. The-Future Is-UP-to-You. My-Suggestions Would-be to-First Tackle Elements Usually in Highest-Proportion in Other related Soil-Groupings &-to- Perhaps Follow The Sidophile Notion that Cerium Appears-to-Be IE IRON, NICKEL & COBALT R-ALL Ferromagnetic. Cobalt Being The Most Ferromagnetic of The Primary Transition Series Probably Implies it-Is interferring with Another Lanthide of Similar Properties as-well-as Another Organism other-than Rhizobia that Competes by-Using The-Other Element to The-Detriment of Rhizobia IE It-Accumulates in-Soils Where Rhizobia Cannot, so-to-Speak. I'd Look-at Scandium (Already 'Known' to-Promote Seed-Germination), Euriopium (High in-some-other Soil Series & Most-'Reactive' of The Lanthanide-Series Per-se), Niobium (Mainly Because It-Is Under-Vanadium Which doesn't Appear to-Promote CPs But-Is Prominent in Oceanic-Symbioses &-Is Next-to Molybdenum that Does-appear to-Be Somewhat Important but Could-be 'Better' so-to-Speak IE Iron / Molydenum Vs Cerium / Niobium???), Praesodynium Because it-is Colour-Valency Opposite to Neodymium Which Is-Involved in Strong-Magnets But Initially Has-Shown No-Promise thus-far ie Using Wrong-Twin??? Basically Start-with the Most-Colourful, Abundant, 'Soluble' from Yttrium-to-Ytterbium ... though You-Probably-can Rule-OUT Yttrium Because I've 'Already' Tried-It Qualitatively on-R-Number of-Basic CPs ... though it's Always 'Good'-to-Be THOROUGH!!! >(*U^)< Word-to-The-Wise ... Always Buy-in-Bulk, even-if The-Expense at-First Doesn't Seem-to Warrant-it - but Then-again Get-Use to-Them as-Being 'Cheap' ... Otherwise You-May-Not 'Stretch' Yourself Far-enough to-Make an-Initial Discovery!!! Pay Careful-Attention to-Stock-Solutions that-Can Last for-Years if-Prepared Thoroughly at The-Beginning ... You Never-'know' How-far Down The-Track They-Could Come-in Handy. >(*U^)< Be-Patient ... Early-Responses Took 60-Days to-Become Obvious ... over R-Ten-Year Period "I"-Refined-This Down to 5-Days with An-Obvious Above-Ground Response Within 3 IE The-Next-Leaf, so-to-Speak!!! >(*U^)< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted December 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2010 And then your lighting has for sure an influence too. I am no friend of LED lighting for plants, I would always prefer full spectrum radiators like metal halide, but I have to admit that your lighting shows interesting results. I don't think that any lighting that relies on phosphors for colour conversion, such as fluorescents and white LED, will every compete with the spectral distribution that discharge lamps are capable of. White LEDs have an advantage over fluorescent lamps though in that they can provide a focussed beam. For instance, a T5 8W fluorescent distributes the light output radially over a 300mm length. This would be nearly impossible to focus into a spot. However, I have a 7W LED that produces a round beam with a 40° beam angle, so all of the output can be focussed into a small area. Not ideal for large grow areas, as lots of lamps would be required, but satisfactory for individual plants. It could possibly compete with the output power available to a plant from a 35W HQI, as it can be positioned much closer to the plant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davion Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 So-'How' RU Going, so-to-Speak? http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=192...1478&ref=nf "I"m 'ON'-to-Something ... Working very-Long-Hours to-See if-"I"-Can't FINALLY 'Break'-The-'Bach' of The-Ol'-FLYTRAP, Once-&-Forall. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=192...1478&ref=nf "I"m Going-Back to SAND, CHARCOAL, Urea-Formaldehyde 'Floral'-Foam, Vermiculite ... You-Name-it ... If-"I"-'Think'-it Has-R-Chance "I"m Going to-Re-'Test'-it, so-to-Speak - Burning-UP The-Hours Like-There-IS-'NO' TOMORROW!!! >(*U^)< http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=192...1478&ref=nf Cannon-Fodder-Plants Have-Now Come-IN at ~$4.50 Aussie R-Pot ... So-It's Making Life R-Little 'EASIER', so-to-Speak On the-Ol' Hip-Purse. >(*U^)< "I"ll-Be Posting UPDATES All-Over The-Place as-"I"-Go ... so-Stay-'Tuned' and Keep-Your Ear-to-The-Ground!!! >(*U^)< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will9 Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 So-'How' RU Going, so-to-Speak?http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=192...1478&ref=nf "I"m 'ON'-to-Something ... Working very-Long-Hours to-See if-"I"-Can't FINALLY 'Break'-The-'Bach' of The-Ol'-FLYTRAP, Once-&-Forall. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=192...1478&ref=nf "I"m Going-Back to SAND, CHARCOAL, Urea-Formaldehyde 'Floral'-Foam, Vermiculite ... You-Name-it ... If-"I"-'Think'-it Has-R-Chance "I"m Going to-Re-'Test'-it, so-to-Speak - Burning-UP The-Hours Like-There-IS-'NO' TOMORROW!!! >(*U^)< http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=192...1478&ref=nf Cannon-Fodder-Plants Have-Now Come-IN at ~$4.50 Aussie R-Pot ... So-It's Making Life R-Little 'EASIER', so-to-Speak On the-Ol' Hip-Purse. >(*U^)< "I"ll-Be Posting UPDATES All-Over The-Place as-"I"-Go ... so-Stay-'Tuned' and Keep-Your Ear-to-The-Ground!!! >(*U^)< Like Martin say,please ,can you not written like everyone els ,i not understand a word from wat you are saying ,is it something new only for young people? The are many not Englisch speaking persons on the forum ,when everyone go written like this then we can not following anymore, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James O'Neill Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Hi Willy - I find it hard to read! It is Richard's way of typing (for some reason) and only he uses it >(*U^)< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will9 Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Hi Willy - I find it hard to read! It is Richard's way of typing (for some reason) and only he uses it >(*U^)< Yes ,it s amazing but not so intresting for read Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxxima Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 (edited) :)) I find it very amusing and cute! Personally I'd like to see it more often >(*U^)< edit: apologies to Mobile for being offtopic. Edited February 18, 2011 by maxxima Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted February 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 The 'Cyanophyta' sort of went very slimey, which in turn got black mold... which obviously the Cephalotus didn't like. It's still alive... just. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davion Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=193...1478&ref=nf Don't-Give-UP Mobile ... "I"ve Set-UP Some WATER-Equivalent Experiments to-'See'-if My-New-Knowledge Has-Any-Effect on 'Strike'-Rate In-Water-Culture, so-to-Speak ... though "I" Must-Admit Colin-Clayton's (from TRIFFID-Park) Comments from 2003: "Soo-LOW That-You Can't 'Do'-It" R-'Still' Ringin-In Mine-Ears, so-to-Speak Regarding Trying to-'Find' The SWEET-Spot (Made-UP Two-Batches Yesterday ... &-They BOTH-Failed to-Hit The Theorectical Sweet-Spot) ... so-There May-be Some-Delay Before "I"-Can Get-INTO SAND, CHARCOAL & 'Floral'-Foam ... 'Hopefully' ONLY-R-Matter of Days ... But-it-Still SUX, so-to-Speak!!! >(*~*)< / >(*U^)< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted February 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I'm currently experimenting with Heliamphora hydroponics... again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davion Posted February 20, 2011 Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 'Sounds'-GOOD!!! >(*U^)< "I"-'Think'-"I"ve Deciphered Colin-Clayton's 2003 Cryptic-Coment: "Soo-LOW That-You Can't 'Do'-It" so-to-Speak .... Basically Leave-Well-Alone & Just-'Let' MOTHER-NATURE 'Do'-The-Work!!! >(*U^)< Anyway "I"ll-'Start'-Heading-INTO Sand, Charcoal & 'Floral'-Foam THIS-Week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted February 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2011 'Sounds'-GOOD!!! >(*U^)<"I"-'Think'-"I"ve Deciphered Colin-Clayton's 2003 Cryptic-Coment: "Soo-LOW That-You Can't 'Do'-It" so-to-Speak .... Basically Leave-Well-Alone & Just-'Let' MOTHER-NATURE 'Do'-The-Work!!! >(*U^)< Anyway "I"ll-'Start'-Heading-INTO Sand, Charcoal & 'Floral'-Foam THIS-Week. I seem to recall you posting about floral foam (known as oasis in the UK) before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davion Posted February 21, 2011 Report Share Posted February 21, 2011 Yep ... That's-WHY "I"m Going-'Bach'-to-it, so-to-Speak. "I"m Likening-It to-R-LIGNIN-Substitute or 'GRAVY'-of-The-Peat, so-to-Speak. >(*U^)< It's-R HIGH-Nitrogen-Source, Like-LIGNIN, that's Virtually Unobtainable to-Most Organisms. >(*U^)< The-Question-arises that 'If'-LIGNIN Contains No-Structural-Nitrogen of-Itself ... 'How'-Can-it Be R-HIGH-Nitrogen-Source &-that SEDGE-Peat that Has TWICE The Lignin of SPHAGNUM Has TWICE The-Nitrogen-Content Unless One-Assumes it-Is The Organisms that Live-On (WITHIN) The Lignin-Portion of The Various-Peats that Provide the-Nitrogen ... Presumeably via-'Fixation' from the-Atmosphere. >(*~*)< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmatil Posted February 22, 2011 Report Share Posted February 22, 2011 Argh, why isn't here a way to ignore certain posters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmatil Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Old thread yes but I just recently made some experiments on sand. It looks like the sand mobile has (silica). I bought it as a sand blasting agent (silica sand). The composition is: SiO2 45–52 %Al2O3 24–31 %Fe2O3 7–11 %CaO 3–8 %K2O 2–5 %MgO 2–3 %TiO2 0–2 %Na2O 0–1 %Quartz < 0,1 % I soaked 5 ml of sand in 50 ml of RO water (not deionised). This water has a TDS of 4 ppm. Soaking results: after 10 hours: 7 ppm; 24 h: 8 ppm; 36 h: 10 ppm. So there is something that is slowly dissolving into the water. But is it bad? Would you recommend pre-soaking the sand before using. Of course I rinse it, but does it need soaking. I have used this sand with my Cephalotus and Drosera and they're doing just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapperhead51 Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 just some clarifying information for this post , first off , only 1 cephalotus site is at a sea side site , that is Coal Mine beach site, all the rest are much further back inland and may be close at times to inland swamps/ soaks or land locked lakes ,with may be exception of a few but there still may be 1/2 a km from the actual sea shore . all sites are comprised of fine sand based soils as the whole area so far back in time were massive sand dunes and gradually getting plant compost added over the millions of years from trees, shrubs and grasses composting , most sites with may be only Nothcliffe to a degree ,are fine dune sand compost based , the compost soils has a very high level of this fine sand in all soil in these area's in many areas as high as 60% , the sand is probably from the granite that is predominate in the coastal areas of Albany , though I have not investigated that part , but the sand is very fine grade and pure white indeed . when taking PPM reading from water in winter at some sites the ppm reading was quite unexpectedly high ,the water dose not hang around as the sites are most on areas where the water runs past or drains quickly . on top and underneath the area ,making them the ideal site for cephs to grow . this is base on field site trips and observations only . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropicat Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Did the Ceph survive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tina Posted April 14, 2017 Report Share Posted April 14, 2017 hello, What has become of the Cephi in the sand?How has he developed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prized Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 @mobile I would like to know how this experiment ended up. In particular, what do you think about sea salt and Cephalotus? Did you see any difference? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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