Daniel O. Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 (edited) Hello, in winter 2008 my D. schwackei flowered for the first time and i´ve pollinated one of the flowers with pollen of D. tomentosa var. tomentosa and i was able to collect some seed. For a very long time the plants have been very similar to D. schwackei. Finally they are adult and the first flower scape is emerging. The plants are about 3,5cm in diameter and they are more rosetted than D. schwackei. Here are the parents. Pictures of D. schwackei ´Diamantina, Minas Gerais, Brazil´ you can find here: http://www.cpukforum.com/forum/index.php?s...mp;hl=schwackei http://www.cpukforum.com/forum/index.php?s...mp;hl=schwackei And here is an older picture of D. tomentosa var. tomentosa ´Morro Do Jambeiro, Minas Gerais, Brazil´. And here is the hybrid. D. schwackei x tomentosa var. tomentosa It would be interesting to hear your opinion, is it really the hybrid? Later this day or tomorrow i´ll show more detailed pictures. Best regards, Dani Edited January 11, 2011 by Daniel O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droseraman Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 It looks convincing to me, since it has a bit wider leaf lamina as well, but it sure has kept a lot of the features of D. schwackei. Great growing as always!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommyr Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 Don't know if it's a hybrid but I LOVE it! Awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kisscool_38 Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 (edited) I agree, it looks like an hybrid to me Anyway, this is a nice plant. Edited February 21, 2018 by kisscool_38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel O. Posted September 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 (edited) Many thanks. I must agree that on the first look the plants are looking more like true D. schwackei but tomorrow i´ll show some details that are not really matching with D. schwackei and these details are the reason why i´m thinking that this crossing should have worked. I´ve tried also the reciprocal crossing and the resulting plants are looking nearly identical with the same colouration nethertheless the mother plant was in this case the nicely red colourated D. tomentosa var. tomentosa but these plants are still to small to be totally sure. Best regards, Dani Edited September 11, 2010 by Daniel O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlatokrt Posted September 11, 2010 Report Share Posted September 11, 2010 Really nice plant. And i agree with the others, to me it also looks a little different from typical schwackei, so it is probablay a hybrid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimscott Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 Nice looking plant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel O. Posted September 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 Thanks again. Now i´ll present several pictures where it is clearly visible that these plants should be in fact the hybrid between D. schwackei and D. tomentosa var. tomentosa. In the leaf apex D. tomentosa var. tomentosa ´Morro Do Jambeiro, Minas Gerais, Brazil´ is having longer tentacles with a rectangular head, looking like "snap tentacles", like for example in D. sp. "Shibata", D. tomentosa var. glabrata and D. tentaculata. D. tomentosa ´Morro Do Jambeiro, Minas Gerais, Brazil´ (this is an older picture i´ve taken 1 year ago but here these tentacles are visible very clearly). D. schwackei does not have these tentacles. BTW, the D. schwackei plants that are visible on a few of the pictures are the seedlings from last year (sown out 9 months ago), now they are nearly mature and hopefully will flower soon. D. schwackei ´Diamantina, Minas Gerais, Brazil´ And here are some new hybrid pictures, on the left side the hybrid is visible, on the right D. schwackei. Nethertheless the D. schwackei plants are only about 9 months old they have formed a bigger stem than the hybrid, the hybrid plants are about 20 months old. Here the longer tentacles are clearly visible. Best regards, Dani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggy Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 Beautiful hybrid Dani!! Iggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UtricSeb Posted September 12, 2010 Report Share Posted September 12, 2010 Hi Daniel, very nice looking plants. A very interesting hybrid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel O. Posted September 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2010 Many thanks my friends. Best regards, Dani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudo klasovity Posted September 14, 2010 Report Share Posted September 14, 2010 Great work Dani! The plant looks indeed like a perfect hybrid of the parents, having inherited the best features of them (shape x colour). Thanx:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando Rivadavia Posted September 20, 2010 Report Share Posted September 20, 2010 Looks convincing to me! :) Congrats!!! Fernando Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel O. Posted September 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2010 (edited) Thanks again. Fernando, have you or somebody else ever seen D. tomentosa var. tomentosa growing sympatrically with D. schwackei? Here is a little update. I really hope that the first flower will open these days because soon i´ll be away for about 2 and a half weeks. It would be a pity if i´m not able to take some flower pictures, i keep my fingers crossed. The hairs seem to be longer and more dense in comparison to D. schwackei (sorry, not the sharpest picture). Best regards, Dani Edited September 24, 2010 by Daniel O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khelljuhg Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 Beautiful hybrid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando Rivadavia Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Hello Dani, I don't remember them sympatrically, but close enough! :) The only one I think grows sympatrically is tentaculata ocasionally. F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel O. Posted October 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2010 (edited) Hello Fernando, I don't remember them sympatrically, but close enough! :) The only one I think grows sympatrically is tentaculata ocasionally. Aaah, that´s very interesting, so theoretically in nature there could exist any hybrids between these two species. And it could be possible to cross D. schwackei with D. tentaculata as well after they are closely related. I´ve tried a lot of crossings in the past but i´ve made the experiance that a lot of crossings are not working, good healthy looking seed was produced after cross pollination but in a lot of cases it´s not germinating at all. It seems so as if the parents should be very closely related to get a successful crossing. Greetings from Sofia (Bulgaria), Dani Edited October 7, 2010 by Daniel O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel O. Posted October 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 (edited) Hi all, after 2,5 half weeks i´m back again in Germany. Meanwhile 2 flowers have opened and i was able to take some pictures of the third flower. For comparison here are some flower pictures of D. schwackei. http://www.cpukforum.com/forum/index.php?s...mp;hl=schwackei And here are the flowers of D. schwackei x tomentosa var. tomentosa, in my eyes different in comparison to D. schwackei. the closing flower What do you think? Best regards, Dani Edited October 18, 2010 by Daniel O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando Rivadavia Posted October 18, 2010 Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 Cool, congrats! Definitely looks more tomentosa-ish! Fernando Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Rohrbacher Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 Daniel, the 'droseramixerman'! Great plant! The flower looks like a D. tomentosa var. tomentosa. The leaf look like a D. schwakei. Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockhom Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 Daniel, That is really a magnificent plant! Cheers, François. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel O. Posted October 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 (edited) Many thanks again. The flowers are about 2cm in diameter (similar to the size of the flowers of D. schwackei), my D. tomentosa var. tomentosa flowers are about 1,5cm in diameter. BTW, the 2 big plants are not looking identical, not only the colouration of the tentacles is slightely different. The plant that is in flower in the moment has also not such a big number of these longer tentacles with a rectangular head i´ve shown before, so there seem to be some variation. Of course i´m selfing the flowers, hopefully there will be some viable seed. Best regards, Dani Edited January 11, 2011 by Daniel O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel O. Posted January 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Here is a small update. Nethertheless i´ve pollinated the flowers (about 15) absolutely no seed has been produced. The plants coloured up a little bit during the last weeks, now they are looking this way. The last 8 flowers (their sepals) looked somehow strange, at least one of these sepals (sometimes also 2) from each flower has had 5 long tentacles at the edge of the sepal. I tried to take a picture of these tentacles but the quality is not the best. Best regards, Dani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando Rivadavia Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Sterile, huh? This at least makes taxonomy easier in the field. :) F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jose luis Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) Hi you all. Only a couple of questions,i´m looking for d.tomentosa var. tomentosa (or d. tomentosa)but i only find d.montana var, tomentosa¿are them the same ?¿is this similar to say d.ascendens instead " D. villosa var. ascendens" Cheers. Jose Luis Edited February 25, 2011 by jose luis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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