N. Thorelli Id.

[alipe]

Hello everybody,

two years ago I bought from Gert (Extreme-Plants) a N. Thorelli, and I would like you to help me to find out if it's true Thorelli. Here are some pics:

Lower pitcher

Upper pitcher

Thanks everybody

[thez_yo]

It kind of looks like one of those newer species, like Nepenthes bokorensis.

...or maybe andamana? I was looking at the lineup of pitchers featured here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepenthes_andamana

Edited May 28, 2010 by thez_yo

[alipe]

Hi thez_yo,

Thanks for your answer. But I think that the peristome of N. andamana looks different

[Mags]

There have been a couple of threads about this that i've read and the general concensus is that the true N. thorelli is not in cultivation.

The nep experts will be on soon to give you a much better answer tho

[alipe]

Hi Mags,

I´ve read that too, that´s why I´m asking. Thanks

[Milos Sula]

Hi Alipe,

no this is not real N.thorelii. It does have different shape of pitchers. More like N.viking.

[marcello catalano]

That's a strange plant!

From the first photo I would say it's bokorensis, but it might be a hybrid with bokorensis or it might have nothing to do with bokorensis at all! :)

You should ask Gert about the history of this plant, if it came from the States, from Europe, from SE Asia, how long ago, from which nursery etc... Also, a picture of the whole plant, where we can see leaf shape and attachment, would help...

By the way: it's THORELII, not THORELLI :)

[alipe]

By the way: it's THORELII, not THORELLI :)

Upsss , sorry for changing its name

Thanks Milos and Marcello. I´ll ask Gert

[Paul Schoeneberg]

Hello,

thats not an viking i think.

The lowers look like bokorensis, and the uppers a bit like albomariginata i think.

[Milos Sula]

I have said that N.thorelii pitchers are similar to N.viking. This is not N.viking, of course..

[nepenthe777]

Hi Alicia, your plant is lovely one!!!

The fruits of my red ventricosa grow very fast, I think It will be a viable and fantastic hibrid:

1º colorfull pitchers , ventricosa influence.

2º low humidity resintence for male , thorelii, smilessii, bokorensis or hibrid.

3º tolerance to very low temp for ventricosa influence.

Made in Spain!

[An D Smith]

Hi Alicia

I can't help with the ID of your plant, I'm afraid but I thought I would say that the real N. thorellii IS in cultivation, from seed collected by Stewart McPherson a couple of years ago from the type locality. I doubt that any of these plants have matured yet and are producing upper pitchers though.

Most plants labelled as N. thorellii in cultivation have turned out to be N. smilesii.

I hope the mini maxima is doing well

Cheers

Andy

[marcello catalano]

Andy, do you mean that Stewart found plants and seeds of N. thorelii in the wild and kept that secret to all of us for 2 years, publicly and privately, without even mentioning that or showing the photos of his discovery in his books???? Aren't you getting confused with some other species? :) ...

Edited May 29, 2010 by marcello catalano

[alipe]

Hi Andy, the plants you sold me are growing quite well. Thanks

[Sockhom]

Hi Alicia

I can't help with the ID of your plant, I'm afraid but I thought I would say that the real N. thorellii IS in cultivation, from seed collected by Stewart McPherson a couple of years ago from the type locality. I doubt that any of these plants have matured yet and are producing upper pitchers though.

Most plants labelled as N. thorellii in cultivation have turned out to be N. smilesii.

I hope the mini maxima is doing well

Cheers

Andy

Dear Andy,

You sure getting confused with another species. Stewart asked me to write a paper on the long lost thorelii for his forthcoming books. Ke knows very well the species is not in cultivation. On top of that, Stew clearly mentionned in PitcherPlants of the Old World (volume 1) that N. thorelii has not been found (at the time he wrote the books at least).

I hope you are doing well my friend ;-)

Cheers,

François.

Edited May 29, 2010 by Sockhom

[An D Smith]

Dear All...

My most humble apologies. I am indeed confusing N. thorellii with N. treubiana .

Francois, I remember your depressing posts only too well.

I'm off to hide in the greehouse for a while

Andy

[Paul Schoeneberg]

I have said that N.thorelii pitchers are similar to N.viking. This is not N.viking, of course..

Oh, I'm sorry.

[alipe]

Hello,

just wanted to add a pic of the last pitcher

From now, the only thing new I know is that the plant come from Thailand.

Thanks

[marcello catalano]

Good, then I have some suspects :)

-can you post a picture where the whole plant is visible?

-take a magnifying lens, and you will notice that on tendril and pitcher there are many very little hair (present in all species). Can you see some similar hair (probably longer) around the base of the leaf too?

[alipe]

Hi Marcello,

yes, the tendrils, the pitcher and the base of the leaf has lots of small hair.

It´s impossible for me to take a pic of the whole plant, it is too long. I made one of the end.

Thanks

[marcello catalano]

Great, thanks. I would say it's definately N. andamana, congratulations :)

Do you have a picture of the flower?

[alipe]

Thankyou very much for your identification, Marcello

Here you have a pic from the flowers