Jure Posted April 27, 2010 Report Share Posted April 27, 2010 What a pity, it is only one trap. All others are normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loakesy Posted April 27, 2010 Report Share Posted April 27, 2010 That's definately the most unusual double trap I've ever seen!! Fabulous!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebulon Posted April 27, 2010 Report Share Posted April 27, 2010 Wow that looks, wild. It has a lot of trigger hairs, if they aren't teeth then! What a strange thingie! Greetings, Jarkko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mags Posted April 27, 2010 Report Share Posted April 27, 2010 Really odd, I love it! It'll be a real shame when it eventually dies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amar Posted April 27, 2010 Report Share Posted April 27, 2010 poor mutant. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlytrapCare Posted April 27, 2010 Report Share Posted April 27, 2010 I have to agree Loakesy, that's the most unusual double trap I've ever seen. Thanks for sharing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Straubmuller Posted April 27, 2010 Report Share Posted April 27, 2010 Really strange! Never see something like that before! Thx for sharing! Best regards, Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev Posted April 27, 2010 Report Share Posted April 27, 2010 Very unusual! Is it on a typical or named clone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimscott Posted April 28, 2010 Report Share Posted April 28, 2010 Just for the science of it, take a basal leaf cutting of it and see if you can get it to strike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadly Weapon Posted April 28, 2010 Report Share Posted April 28, 2010 Weird but beautiful. Great plant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnivoor Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Just for the science of it, take a basal leaf cutting of it and see if you can get it to strike. I wonder ,has anyone ever had success with those one-off (strange)leaf cuttings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toimeme Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 I wonder ,has anyone ever had success with those one-off (strange)leaf cuttings? leaf cutting of this leaf give typical vft for sure. last years i put one spray (pyrèthre) on plants and i had some very strange trap like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimscott Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 leaf cutting of this leaf give typical vft for sure.last years i put one spray (pyrèthre) on plants and i had some very strange trap like that. That's a scary thought! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toimeme Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 i have some little terrnic tisserand(very little red spider) and some Aphids , pyrèthre killed them and made deformed traps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnivoor Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 Aphids are known for causing deformations of leaves, chances are the spray had nothing to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toimeme Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 it is spray, try on one typical vft that haven't got aphids and you'll see lot of very strange trap. lot of chimical spray cause this on plants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Stewart Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 What a pity, it is only one trap. All others are normal. I can't compete with your double trap, but I think it is worth attempting to breed such things! This is a thumbnail photograph of a Dionaea 'Bigmouth' that I originally got a start of from Bob Ziemer. The original plant produced a couple of strange traps and one that was a "tri-trap". I started the tritrap leaf and this year the youngster put out one double trap! If enough people select for this type of mutation who knows what we may end up with. Click on the thumbnail to enlarge the photograph. Take care, Steven Stewart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Stewart Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 These are thumbnail photographs with arrows of the original Dionaea 'Bigmouth' that Bob shared with me that produced tri traps. Take care, Steven Stewart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melly Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 really strange beautiful mutation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renef Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 IMG]http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr139/renef3/P1020254.jpg[/img] my double trap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantrid Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 I can't compete with your double trap, but I think it is worth attempting to breed such things! This is a thumbnail photograph of a Dionaea 'Bigmouth' that I originally got a start of from Bob Ziemer.The original plant produced a couple of strange traps and one that was a "tri-trap". I started the tritrap leaf and this year the youngster put out one double trap! If enough people select for this type of mutation who knows what we may end up with. Click on the thumbnail to enlarge the photograph. Take care, Steven Stewart It doesnt work like that. The DNA is like a plan of a building that the builders use to build a house. The plan is correct ie there is no mutation of the DNA but the builders made a mistake in the construction. If there was a mutation that caused the traps to be double then all the traps would be double as the DNA that codes for the traps is in every single cell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Stewart Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 (edited) It doesnt work like that. The DNA is like a plan of a building that the builders use to build a house. The plan is correct ie there is no mutation of the DNA but the builders made a mistake in the construction. If there was a mutation that caused the traps to be double then all the traps would be double as the DNA that codes for the traps is in every single cell. How and why some mutations take place may be environmentally stimulated in a specific part of a plant. Often variegation (or other environmentally induced variation) of leaves takes place in an easy to propagate plant, and is then propagated in mass. Mutated material can then be carried forward by selectively separating and propagating the mutated material. This variegation (or unique separation) may only be found on some parts of the propagated material, but still become abundant or valuable enough to propagate. Over time, many horticultural oddities become stable cultivars, if propagated and properly written up in descriptions for accepted for publication. This simple method of selection is common in horticulture. Just because the selected material cannot be propagated by standard Tc methods doesn't mean it can not be, or is not commonly done! If DNA and it's environmental expression in plants was exactly "like a plan of a building" then all leaves of plants would be exactly the same. Like the cute little monotypic Dionaea muscipula! Take care, Steven Stewart Edited July 16, 2010 by Steve Stewart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantrid Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 How and why some mutations take place may be environmentally stimulated in a specific part of a plant. Often variegation (or other environmentally induced variation) of leaves takes place in an easy to propagate plant, and is then propagated in mass. Mutated material can then be carried forward by selectively separating and propagating the mutated material. This variegation (or unique separation) may only be found on some parts of the propagated material, but still become abundant or valuable enough to propagate. Over time, many horticultural oddities become stable cultivars, if propagated and properly written up in descriptions for accepted for publication. This simple method of selection is common in horticulture. Just because the selected material cannot be propagated by standard Tc methods doesn't mean it can not be, or is not commonly done! If DNA and it's environmental expression in plants was exactly "like a plan of a building" then all leaves of plants would be exactly the same. Like the cute little monotypic Dionaea muscipula! Take care, Steven Stewart you are correct. I was over simplyfying things to explain the concept of what commonly happens. However, I dont think this is the case with the double traps as I think we would have double trapped mutants by now as Im sure many people around the world have already tried propagating double trapped leaves and even tissue culturing double trapped tissue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Drew Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 Looks really weird lol, are double traps triggered seperately or if one closes does the other one too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Stewart Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 Looks really weird lol, are double traps triggered seperately or if one closes does the other one too? Drew, In the case where the Dionaea traps are complete and on a single petiole the traps close separately, when triggered. When I have had traps that are partially separated, the whole mass triggers and closes, when triggered. I would think there have been instances where Dionaea mutations may cause the traps to be completely non functional. Mantrid, I hope all Dionaea growers think as you do! If it hasn't been done by now, it can't be done. I enjoy doing things that haven't been done yet! The tools that make growing Dionaea and other plant rarities "easy" to grow, have not been around that long. RO, plastic, Tc, the Internet, e-bay, cpukforum etc... are all recent and valuable resources we seem to take for granted. Take care, Steven Stewart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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