lorisarvendu Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 Hi there all I picked this up at the local garden centre, marked up as just "Sarracenia" (as usual!). It's about 8 inches high with a quite wide brillliant red trumpet (actually a bit more maroon than this pic shows). Can anyone give any suggestions as to what kind of a cross it might be? I would guess there's some leucophylla in there, judging by the white patches on the hood (which you can't see as well in real life). Thanks! Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 Doesn't look like most of the usual hybrids you see in garden centres. Any chance of a photo of the whole plant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauer Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 I know this plant, it's a clone that you can easily find in France, the problem is that nobody knows what it is... I just know that the colour become extremely dark on the throat, the leaves are mostly black so it's a really nice Sarracenia but no name... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Salter Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 (edited) It looks to be a little more than a simple cross of S. flava x leucophylla because of the arching back and lacking the typical S. x moorei look to it. I would hazard more of a guess of S. flava x (S. leucophylla x Purpurea) also known as S. mitchelliana). Other than that just enjoy the plant as it is not too ugly at all. Ian. Edited July 25, 2009 by Ian Salter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorisarvendu Posted July 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 It looks to be a little more than a simple cross of S. flava x leucophylla because of the arching back and lacking the typical S. x moorei look to it.I would hazard more of a guess of S. flava x (S. leucophylla x Purpurea) also known as S. mitchelliana). Other than that just enjoy the plant as it is not too ugly at all. Ian. I'll get a better pic tomorrow, cos it's half -9 pm. But if anyone's in the Long Eaton/Notts area, they have them at Bardills. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorisarvendu Posted July 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Doesn't look like most of the usual hybrids you see in garden centres. Any chance of a photo of the whole plant? Here it is. Bit difficult to see as it's mixed in with the others, but it's a fairly standard sarracenia trumpet shape. I like the way the hood stands up at the corners, giving it a kind of "Denis Healey" eyebrows effect. But of course all trumpet pitchers of this type also always remind me of Fozzie Bear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimscott Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Possible a Judith Hindle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorisarvendu Posted July 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Possible a Judith Hindle? Yes I think you're probably right. Judith Hindle it is then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcelvW Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 (edited) Yes I think you're probably right. Judith Hindle it is then. You can't give it just that name because you think it looks the same. Label it as an unknown Hybrid Edited July 27, 2009 by MarcelvW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimfoxy Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Yes I think you're probably right. Judith Hindle it is then. Are you trying to wind us naming pedants up on purpose? It does not look very much like S. 'Judith Hindle' (the hood curves over too much for a start) and if it did not come labelled as such and you have no good reason to think it is, then it would be wrong to call it that. Going with what Marcel suggests is the best idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyoliver Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 If you cannot be 100% sure then it's an unknown, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 It's not JH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amar Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Sarracenia hybrid. Or if you like: Sarracenia leucophylla hybrid. that would be its name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorisarvendu Posted July 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Are you trying to wind us naming pedants up on purpose? It does not look very much like S. 'Judith Hindle' (the hood curves over too much for a start) and if it did not come labelled as such and you have no good reason to think it is, then it would be wrong to call it that. Going with what Marcel suggests is the best idea. Not trying to wind anyone up, although I should know by now that one of the last refuges of the Pedantic is on internet forums. :grin: Although I've picked up almost all of my plants from garden centres, most of them have been labelled with something stunningly unhelplful like "Sarracenia" or even worse "Insect-Eating Plant". Luckily I've been successful in identifying most of them, through them being fairly obvious example of their species/sub-species. I figured this was some form of cross, but thought it might be familiar to more those more experienced than me. Shame really, as I don't know what to call it now. I guess I'll just call it Jim. Oddly enough though, one that was labelled as "Sarracenia Micke" I've been unable to find examples of anywhere else. It's a weird one and I'm beginning to suspect there might be two different plants in the same pot. Most of the of the pitchers look like this, upright but with a distinctive purpurea-like hood. However dotted amongst them are 3 of these. There doesn't seem to be any indication that they are separate plants, so could some of the leaves be "regressing" or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimfoxy Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Hey, what a great name! The hood variation you see is pretty normal for a complex hybrid. Different pitchers look different depending on their size and timing of development. I have heard that a lot of plants from garden centres are random crosses that are grown at Dutch nurseries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky Utrici Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 (edited) Given all of the above you should call it Sarracenia hybrid "Insect eating thingamy" and be done with it. By the way it looks a little hungry to me. Edited August 1, 2009 by Tricky Utrici Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loakesy Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 I think I need to label some of my plants as "Insect eating thingamy"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorisarvendu Posted August 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Given all of the above you should call it Sarracenia hybrid "Insect eating thingamy" and be done with it. By the way it looks a little hungry to me. Well they're always hungry aren't they? But trust me, this one's been well fed. One of the pitchers had bent in half so I snapped it off, and the stench of the liquid that dripped onto my fingers...ye gods. My 11-yr old lad wants to rename them my "Bum plants" because that's what they smell off. Just Bum you understand. Not my Bum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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