Trev Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 I'm starting to think that the clone Funnel Trap / Trichterfalle is gradually reverting - I've noticed a gradual reduction in the number of funnelled traps over the last few years, last year there was only 2 funnelled traps on my plants, and so far this year there has been none, (the feathering on the petioles is still as strong as ever). I'd be interested to hear what's happening to other growers Funnel Trap plants. Trev. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantrid Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 I'm starting to think that the clone Funnel Trap / Trichterfalle is gradually reverting - I've noticed a gradual reduction in the number of funnelled traps over the last few years, last year there was only 2 funnelled traps on my plants, and so far this year there has been none, (the feathering on the petioles is still as strong as ever). I'd be interested to hear what's happening to other growers Funnel Trap plants.Trev. Perhaps the genes that cause this trait are influenced (switched on or off) by some environmental factor. Has anything changed in the conditions you grow them, eg soil, temp, light, water etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solfami Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 My Funnel produces funneled traps very rarely...maybe 1 o2 in a season..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Really hope this isnt the case, quite an interesting plant when it does produce these characteristic traps. I havent been growing this clone long enough to comment really, I remember having a couple of funnel type traps in 07, didnt see any last year but the plant had been divided quite a bit over summer and took a while to recover. I havent seen any so far this year but I may just be being unobservant! I'll have a check when I get home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 I've had less this year than other years but still getting one or two traps at the moment Carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amar Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Really hope this isnt the case, quite an interesting plant when it does produce these characteristic traps. I havent been growing this clone long enough to comment really, I remember having a couple of funnel type traps in 07, didnt see any last year but the plant had been divided quite a bit over summer and took a while to recover. I havent seen any so far this year but I may just be being unobservant! I'll have a check when I get home. That means you are browsing the forum at work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Yep - ssshhh - thankfully my boss doesnt notice! Heather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amar Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 same here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev Posted July 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 When I first received Funnel Trap / Trichterfalle in 2002 the plants were growing about 1 funelled trap to every 3 or 4 normal ones, the reduction seems to have been a gradual one. Mantrid, I dont think it's any one particular change in conditions, but I did notice stressed plants grew more than happy ones, so maybe they are all just too happy :-) Trev. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 I did notice stressed plants grew more than happy ones, so maybe they are all just too happy :-) Well I guess mine must be too happy aswell then! just checked all mine and no funnel traps as yet this season - still a few months til the end of the season though so fingers crossed!! Heather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lophophora Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 (edited) Hi Trev :) same thing for me since 2008, only about 3or 4 traps with funnel on adult plants. But young divisions seems to produce more caracteristic traps and plants that i grow under artificial light too. Kind regards Gayl ;) Edited July 15, 2009 by Lophophora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toimeme Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 i have 7 funnel trap and at this moment only one characteristic :s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lophophora Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Hi Trev ;) The 'Funnel trap' "reverting" is the reason why you remove the plant from the VftShop? Kind regards, Gayl :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev Posted July 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Hi Gayl, I wanted to make sure it wasn't just my Funnel Traps, plus I only have small ones at the moment. Trev. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guillaume Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 I have notice that if you grow trichterfalle with no many water, it produce much more funnel trap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasL Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Hi I grow my Trichterfalle outdoors and at the spring they makes only funnel traps, but now there only normal traps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispy Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Looks like a strong infestation of greenfly!!!! Cheers, Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev Posted July 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Being grown too dry or outside in Germany over winter would both stress the plants. Apparently being grown too wet makes the feathering a lot more pronounced, but I dont know if it has any affect on the amount of funnelled traps produced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasL Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Hi Trev I grow my Trichterfalle since January outside in Germany. In the spring they makes almost only funnel traps, but now only typical traps. I think in the autum they make some funnel trap. I hava a clon who makes typical traps and has the same petiole like a funnel Trap. This DM grows near the funnel Trap. Sometimes i cant see the different. Sorry for my bad english Bye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathias Maier Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Hello to all, interesting thread... so i have a lot of "Trichterfalle", i think more than 60, and there are many different plants... There are plants, which makes big funnels, otherones which make long petiole and small funnels and some which makes very red traps. But all plants make a lot of funnels all around the year especially in spring and autumn. I have 2 plant, too, which makes only 2-3 "normal" leafs every year. But the most interesting is that there are any which make "Schuppen" (--> scales) and some with none scales. If i have some time, i will make some photos to show you. Best regards Matze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev Posted March 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Hi Matze, That's interesting. Mine always have the scales and very red traps but rarely make funnels anymore. I'd like to see the pictures. Trev. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantrid Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 Could it be that the funnel trap has been chemically induced initially and is not directly controlled by altered genes. And that over the years and through successive divisions the chemical is being diluted in the tissue or even being lost with the result that it is no longer of sufficient concentration to exert its effect? Just a theory, what do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toimeme Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 finally my funnel trap make lot of typical trap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Straubmuller Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 I pot some "Trichterfalle" today and make also some spectacular observations. I have some plants, like Matze´s, with some deep red traps, some are full green. Others have also long petioles with very tiny funnels. 3 or 4 plants build ONLY funnels. And now the most interesting thing - i have one plant which grows over the substrate like a "Cudo". It seems that the "Trichterfalle" or "Funneltrap" is one of the most variable VFT´s. I will also post some photos the next days! Funeeltrap 4ever!!! Besrt regards, Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathias Maier Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 Hi, @ Mantrid: I don´t think so, because the seeds were placed in colchicine, and were caused by genetic changes during germination. This change is permanently available and is also inherited. @ Thomas: Funneltrap for ever Genau, weiter so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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