Phil Green Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Some people seem to have very strange ideas about what FRESH means. I see that CZ plants are still advertising on Ebay, Nepenthes seeds collected in the Autumn as fresh http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...ME:B:SS:GB:1123 I gave them a try back in January and bought some of this very hybrid "seed" or rather seed pod contents (it was getting old even then). Nothing germinated from the 1 or 2 'possibly seeds' sent - so I would recommend people not to touch this "seed" now it is so OLD. I actually bought 4 different species / hybrids. One I had very good germination from, One had a couple germinate and the 2 which I doubt even contained seeds had nothing germinate. So 25% happy, 25% just about OK, 50% VERY UNHAPPY. Guess whether I'll be buying from them again Whilst I know people seem to be generally happy with most of their seeds, I would suggest people be very causious of their Nep seeds and check when it was collected before even thinking of buying any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantrid Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Some people seem to have very strange ideas about what FRESH means.I see that CZ plants are still advertising on Ebay, Nepenthes seeds collected in the Autumn as fresh http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...ME:B:SS:GB:1123 I gave them a try back in January and bought some of this very hybrid "seed" or rather seed pod contents (it was getting old even then). Nothing germinated from the 1 or 2 'possibly seeds' sent - so I would recommend people not to touch this "seed" now it is so OLD. I actually bought 4 different species / hybrids. One I had very good germination from, One had a couple germinate and the 2 which I doubt even contained seeds had nothing germinate. So 25% happy, 25% just about OK, 50% VERY UNHAPPY. Guess whether I'll be buying from them again Whilst I know people seem to be generally happy with most of their seeds, I would suggest people be very causious of their Nep seeds and check when it was collected before even thinking of buying any. I bought 2 pack (about 100 seeds) of dionaea seed from them end of last summer. Planted them early spring got 15 seedlings. Never planted doinaea seeds before. Is this a good or bad rate of germination? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amori Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 mantrid, I think it's more a matter of Nepenthes seed. Their viability is short-lived, whereas Dionaea and other temperate species are generally longer-lived :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linton Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 I bought 2 pack (about 100 seeds) of dionaea seed from them end of last summer. Planted them early spring got 15 seedlings. Never planted doinaea seeds before. Is this a good or bad rate of germination? It's a very poor rate of germination (15% assuming that all of the seed was fertile). I too bought 2 packs of mixed Dionaea seed from CZ Plants and potted them up back in February - no germination yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Mantrid Just beware CZ sell dionaea seed labelled as Sawtooth etc - and while the resulting offspring may look similar you cannot call them by the name 'Sawtooth' - the cultivar description states propagation must be done vegetatively (ie not by seed). I tend to stick to getting dionaea from more trusted sources closer to home these days! If they sell seed as sawtooth then perhaps some of the other plants they sell may be seed grown instead of being propagated vegetatively like they should be - although they dont seem to sell many cultivars as such, its more just their own clone numbers plus a few named clones. I've bought nep seeds from CZ in the past and nothing germinated - it has put me off somewhat! Though in general I dont mind their plants - they may be small but arent bad value. I think you really do need to be more careful when buying nep seeds though..... Heather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantrid Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 MantridJust beware CZ sell dionaea seed labelled as Sawtooth etc - and while the resulting offspring may look similar you cannot call them by the name 'Sawtooth' - the cultivar description states propagation must be done vegetatively (ie not by seed). Hi Heather, They were labelled as mixed seeds, which is fine, but was hoping for more than 14 (one has disappeared probably succumbed to the recent hot weather). All I can tell about them so far is that some are red and others are green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Well thats ok then, still not a very good germination rate though. May be worth trying to get some fresh seed this summer and then try again.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest johnny2009 Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 I want to say something about czplants also. Sorry Mr. Kubin but I was really disapointed on the purchase. I bought around 30-50 seeds each from species like Nepenthes mix, Sarracenia alata, Sarracenia leucophylla, Darlingtonia californica and Dionaea mix (totally 200-250) and what do I have now after more than 6 months? Just 14 S. alata doing well and 2 Dionaea muscipula. That's all. Some might think I did something wrong, but I can say I followed all the instructions for germinating them in best conditions. Anyone else had such problems with czplants? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaclav Kubin Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Hello for everybody, here is Vaclav Kubin / czplants. I dont want to polemise with your informations, I wont to just describe some things. Seeds od Dionaeas - we harvest hunderds seeds of Venus fly traps every season and we have absolutely no problem with germination. We sell only Dionaeas seeds from actualy harvest season for example we sell seeds from season 2008 - Dionaeas just flower right now (todays picture in below). But you have to understand - its "only" Nature and nobody can guarantee 100% germination. We have experience with many, many seeds from own production and also ordered from Australie, South America, Asia and... and sometimes we have germination 90%, sometimes only less of 10%. Its so many factors which are important for good germination and can be only one bad thing (storage, good harvesting time, temperature of germination compost, light, humidity)...and all work can be lose. Also freshness is very discutable....Some Nepenthes seeds germinated in our laboratory also after more than a year after harvesting, others didnt germinate after 2 weeks after harvesting. Why? We dont really know. Believe me, we try to sell high quality seeds. All seeds we storage in dry plastic bags in the fridge and then send to our customers as soon as possible. All Dionaeas seeds are from our production (see actual picture from our greenhouse) and the most Nepenthes seeds we only resell from collectors from Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand. I believe for satisfaction with our seeds and plants in the future and if youll have any problems or questions, just contact me to my email - Ill answer your questions immediately (just Im away from tomorrow until Sunday, please be patient in these days) Best regards Vasek Kubin, czplants.com Some people seem to have very strange ideas about what FRESH means.I see that CZ plants are still advertising on Ebay, Nepenthes seeds collected in the Autumn as fresh http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...ME:B:SS:GB:1123 I gave them a try back in January and bought some of this very hybrid "seed" or rather seed pod contents (it was getting old even then). Nothing germinated from the 1 or 2 'possibly seeds' sent - so I would recommend people not to touch this "seed" now it is so OLD. I actually bought 4 different species / hybrids. One I had very good germination from, One had a couple germinate and the 2 which I doubt even contained seeds had nothing germinate. So 25% happy, 25% just about OK, 50% VERY UNHAPPY. Guess whether I'll be buying from them again Whilst I know people seem to be generally happy with most of their seeds, I would suggest people be very causious of their Nep seeds and check when it was collected before even thinking of buying any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Green Posted July 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Vaclav Kubin - whilst what you say may be true. That doesn't change the fact that you are still selling Nepenthes seeds harvested last autumn as fresh. I'm sorry but Nep seed nearly a year old is most certainly NOT FRESH. I would say upto about 2-3 could be considered fresh, after that it may still germinate well, but it is no longer fresh. How would you like to buy 'fresh' fish, only to discover it had actually been frozen for the last 6 months and just now thawed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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