Dicon Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 I have selected a few clones of N.bokorensis from the seeds I raised, and thought I'd share some pics showing the diversity within this species. Standard (long pitcher coppery red colour) Heavy red-veined Green thick-set Squat Red Booty! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calek Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Gotta love the 'squat red'!!!!! a very handsome clone indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsivertsen Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 This is why raising Nepenthes from seed is SO rewarding! I noticed similar diversity in several species that I've raised from seed over the years; some squat, some elongated, some more green, some more red, some with wider peristomes, and the list goes on and on. Well done! Keep on growing. Let's see what tomorrow brings! - Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clue Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Where was I when all this happened? N. bokorensis is very nice looking. Sure to be in demand for the years coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockhom Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) Hello, Rich has said it all. Growing from seeds can be so rewarding indeed. Your plants look very promising Dicon! I must say the "squat red" is really pretty. Do you grow your bokorensis in "pure "highland conditions? How large are they? Mine grow in lowland conditions. I have also hardened two clones in my living-room. I grew them as house plants for almost a year and now, they are out in the garden, amongst the Sarracenia and Dioneae! I shall take a picture sometime. Rich, what are the species in which you also observed variatons as seedlings? François. Edited May 21, 2009 by Sockhom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicon Posted May 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) Hi Francois, I am growing mostly in lowland and intermediate, I have found my highland conditions a bit chilly, but they do survive there. Most of the plants have a lamina length of about 180 -200mm and 35mm wide. I do however have one with wide leaves at 50+mm. My largest plant is the "heavy red veined" and that grows in intermediate conditions with higher light levels (next to this plant grows the "Green thick set" which has a smaller more robust habit) I'll post a few pics later. The root stocks are quite fat too, have you tried letting one die back to see if it recovers? Edited May 21, 2009 by Dicon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsivertsen Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 (edited) Rich, what are the species in which you also observed variatons as seedlings?François. Hey François, Lots of species over the years, really, but I first noticed it with all the seed that I was getting from the Turnbull-Middleton expeditions. First with the Lake Poso forms of N. maxima that Dave Evans wrote about in the last issue of CPN, and then in a batch of N. fusca that was collected on Kota Kinabalu, where some came up anywhere from lime green, with green peristomes, while others had stripes and even turned a solid red, some wide peristomes and some small. The species from Sumatra also produced some surprises, including a few sports, one N. carunculata seedling produced a solid red first pitcher right after the cotyledons! Even the Malayan Penn. species such as N. sanguinia (especially those from the Genting Highlands) were also very variable. Many seedlings had so much diversity, that no two seedlings were exactly alike, even lowland species. Differences in the tendrils, color, peristomes and shape of the pitcher itself (some squat, some more elongated) were very common, even the leaf itself, some all red, some short, and some quite large. Curiously, when I asked John Turnbull if he noticed any such diversity in the population of plants from which he harvested those seed, he said "No, they were remarkably uniform." The ONLY exception he mentioned was in a form of N. maxima in Sulawesi, with wavy leaf margins. He spotted a single plant that had compound undulations on its leaf margin, and a solid red leaf. He said it stuck out from the rest of the population like a sore thumb; this is known as "N. maxima - 2"; and is still not very common in collections. Still, there are some species that have less diversity in their seedlings than others. - Rich Edited June 13, 2009 by rsivertsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manders Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 My little collection of 12 Boschianas are showing some variation also, most are green with nicely red pitchers and but one or two are turning out to be dark red all over, leaves and pitchers, if in a few months it turns out to be a stable variation ill post some piccies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christerb Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Fine looking pitchers. None of my plants show the intense red coloration on the pitchers as your "red squat". That one is a definite keeper. Interesting also to see that most of your plants are showing the vaulted lid. Interesting hearing about the "N. maxima -2". From the description is appears to be similar to the form that Stewart McPherson found on Mt Sesean - with the difference that the plants from this population were uniform (all having brownish leaves and wavy leaf margin). Only the pitcher color differed, something that has become apparent among my plants (which still are young though). So far there is not much difference between the seedlings when comparing the foliage, unlike my N. maxima (s.e. of Lore Lindu). Among them the variation is more obvious - from the leaf shape to the color. Manders, I see color variation as well as difference in shape on my boschianas also. I will have to wait to see what will happen as they matures before making a conclusion about the variation. According to Ch'ien Lee there were lots of variation among the seedlings that were grown by MT. I questioned him about the origin of their stock and he said that they were from G. Sakumbang (he didn't know if their current stock where from the same collection though). Since the seed distributed by Stewart McPherson came from the same location, it is likely that these will show some variation as well. Regards, Christer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fortaleza Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Hi, I am from Brazil and one friend have one plant that looks like with N. bokorensis "Squat Red". I´d like to have sure about this identification. Sorry because my bad english. These are its pictures: http://img38.imageshack.us/my.php?image=og...ynsvwjmpzfz.jpg http://img38.imageshack.us/my.php?image=og...fxlknm0zvvg.jpg http://img38.imageshack.us/my.php?image=og...8fj55c3y7df.jpg http://img38.imageshack.us/my.php?image=og...yb9gtfgzba1.jpg Thanks a lot. Fortaleza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello catalano Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Hi Fortaleza! we should know: -the plant is grown from seed or from cutting (check its base to see if it was from cutting)? -where was it purchased (market, specialized nursery or collector)? -can we see some photos of the leaf tips of all the leaves (last third will be enough)? marcello Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fortaleza Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Hi Marcelo, The plant is growing from cutting. It was purchased from Marcos Ono (Brazilian collector). He sells as N thorelliX(thorelliXthorelli). But I think that it is wrong. I will post new pictures of leaves and new pitcher soon. Regards, Fortaleza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello catalano Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 The best thing is to ask Marcos then, to know the precise origin of the plant. If it's a hybrid between many "thorelii", it's probably a hybrid between different indochinese species. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fortaleza Posted June 18, 2009 Report Share Posted June 18, 2009 OK Marcello. I agree with you. Thanks a lot. Fortaleza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojahnik Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 I've got a new cam and here is one of my first pics. I hope it's ok to post a photo here. I don't want to open a new thread for it. This is of my second biggest bokorensis. I think it's already an intermediate pitcher. I call it "Big Hat" ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockhom Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 (edited) Hi Boris, That's a nice pitcher! How long is it? And how large are your plants now? If my memory serves me well, you had the biggest seed grown bokorensis around! Truly, François. Edited June 27, 2009 by Sockhom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojahnik Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 That's a nice pitcher!How long is it? And how large are your plants now? If my memory serves me well, you had the seed grown biggest bokorensis around! Hi François, The pitcher is nearly 10 cm. I guess my bokor family is shivering when I come near to them. Last year I managed to kill the both medium plants while I was spraying an insecticid and hit the both with the spray from a very near distance. They got frozen and never recovered from my very dumb and unconcentrated action ... doh. The biggest bokor I managed to break this year while moving it from the basement to the greenhouse. Nevertheless I've got now four rooted cuttings of it and the plant had already two basals. It now produced a third basal and a sideshot. Here is a photo of it and a photo of the plant with the nice pitcher. This one has also produced two basals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojahnik Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 This one will increase the size of the hat. Looks like a mushroom :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicon Posted July 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Hi Boris, I too have found bokorensis very sensitive to chemicals, the slightest contact and the leaves just fry turning crisp in days! Some updated pictures Broad leaf Squat Red Nice wide combe on this one Robust Red Heavy Veined, the longest pitcher at 13cm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojahnik Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Hi Boris,I too have found bokorensis very sensitive to chemicals, the slightest contact and the leaves just fry turning crisp in days! It was a so called natural insecticid based on chrysanthenum. So I've thought that they were iced by the spray. On the other hand they proofed very hard and are growing in very wide temperature range. Here is a pic of the little mushroom pitcherling. It also increased in size and has now also about 13 cm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockhom Posted July 26, 2010 Report Share Posted July 26, 2010 (edited) Hi, I'd like to reactivate this post to show one of my plants. It is grown behind a windowsill (with extra-tubes) during winter and is grown outside, between May and October, among my Sarracenia. It gets full sun between dawn to 4 pm. It is the second summer I grow it outside and it does very well. Intermediate pitchers are on their way and I hope it will flower this year. Cheers, François. Edited July 26, 2010 by Sockhom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan P Posted July 26, 2010 Report Share Posted July 26, 2010 Wowee great plant It's massive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Green Posted July 26, 2010 Report Share Posted July 26, 2010 Yep, that sure is a good size. A lot bigger than mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello catalano Posted July 26, 2010 Report Share Posted July 26, 2010 Yes, that's a great plant, the best in cultivation I've seen so far. I really believe the tough conditions are so much better for these plants, big pot, open air, full sun... They grow so much better than in all our ultra-protected closed environments.... Ahhhh, if I had a garden... Dave's plant, also growing outdoor, looks very good... Mate, I'm sure you would have similar results with all the other IC sisters... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojahnik Posted July 27, 2010 Report Share Posted July 27, 2010 Great looking N. bokor. Thanks for the idea of growing them outdoor. Mine were sitting crowded in the basement. Now they have a new place on the terrace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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