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Hello i whant to now if is posibile to use other type of moss rather the sphagnum for repotting ????I mean to use the moss under the soil near the roots and the rest cp mixing soil :)

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If I have understood your question then I'd stick with sphagnum moss, other mosses/soil arent suitable. Cp mixes generally contain sphagnum moss peat with other additives depending on what type of cp it is.

Heather

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When you say 'additives' do you mean perlite/silica?

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I have a Pinguicula "Fake Weser" growing in lawn moss and it's doing ok. This is not to say that all CPs will grow in this moss though and I seriously doubt that some species would. Interestingly, one of the peat bogs near me has quite a large quantity of moss that is not Sphagnum.

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When you say 'additives' do you mean perlite/silica?

Yep, I mean things you can add to the mix like perlite etc, not fertiliser :)

I have a Pinguicula "Fake Weser" growing in lawn moss and it's doing ok. This is not to say that all CPs will grow in this moss though and I seriously doubt that some species would. Interestingly, one of the peat bogs near me has quite a large quantity of moss that is not Sphagnum.

OK, well I wouldnt recomend trying other mosses as the potting medium unless you could afford to loose them (just incase), I'm sure there are always plenty of other mosses growing around peat bogs but using them as the only potting medium is a different matter.

I am very interested to hear more about your fake weser though Carl :yes: What exactly is 'lawn moss' and how long have you kept your weser in it? Always interesting to hear about experiments!

Heather

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I am very interested to hear more about your fake weser though Carl :smile: What exactly is 'lawn moss' and how long have you kept your weser in it? Always interesting to hear about experiments!

I was visiting my parents in England during the summer and while there I visited a local garden centre. There was the familiar tray-o-cp's :yes: I bought one of the VFTs and clinging to the side of the pot was a small Pinguicula which had come detached from the neighbouring pot. The VFT was staying in England and I wanted to bring the ping home but my parents had no suitable potting media; however, I had noticed that their lawn was full of moss. As the plant was aquired effectively for free I thought I had nothing to lose so I filled a pot with the lawn moss and potted up the ping into it. The ping survived the week while visiting so when I got home I decided to leave it potted. It has now been in the moss for about a month and has put on growth. I don't really expect to see much growth through the winter but I do intend leaving it potted in the lawn moss to see how it does.

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Carl - Well, I'm still not entirely sure what this lawn moss is - the only thing I've seen on my lawn is grass and the odd weed! It would be great if you could keep us updated about how its geting on. A picture would be useful too if you get time to take one so I can see what this lawn moss looks like. It is worth remembering though garden centre wesers are pretty good at dealing with less than ideal conditions and they are no doubt more tollerant than other pings too.

Mark - I think you mentioned a while ago that you were trying lawn moss out on some neps. Sounds like its going well - which neps do you have potted in it? how long have they been in it?

You're much more adventurous than me though I dont have that many spare plants I can afford to loose. I have recently bought some coco peat which I'll be trying out soon but thats about as brave as I've got so far :smile:

With peat not as easy to find as it used to be its always good to find other media that works, still would advise only experiementing with lawn moss on spare plants and using sphag moss on the rest. Atleast until its clear lawn moss can be used long term without any ill effects. Its all very interesting though and look forward to hearing more about it :yes:

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Heather,

I understand why you are wary of using alternative growing media as using the wrong type can indeed kill your plants. I don't know the long term effect of using lawn moss and I have only ever tried it on the one Pinguicula so I couldn't say personally whether it would be suitable for other CPs. As it is sitting in water, it will eventually decompose, as does Spagnum moss but I don't know if it will be at a greater or lesser rate and whether the by-products or decomposition will be harmful or not to the plant. Some growers use lawn moss for Nepenthes as manders says above, but they are kept dryer than Pinguicula so the rate of decomposition should be slower. There is also a difference between a plant growing well in a certain media and it just surviving. I don't have a 'Fake Weser' in a more traditional media to compare it with so even if it grows I couldn't say whether it was at a good rate or not. You must also bear in mind though that plants in nature do not always grow exclusively in the media we use to cultivate them in, for example some will take root on rotting logs and VFTs grow in silver sand in the wild, which is surrounded by peat.

Lawn moss is simply the moss that grows in lawns. I guess that there is likely to be more than one species but I don't know the species name/s. A picture of the moss which looks the same as the kind I used can be found on this page: http://www.lawn3.co.uk/common-lawn-problems.php. Please also consider that lawn moss is considered a pest by most gardeners and many of them try to kill it using moss killer or a combined feed/weed/moss killer lawn treatment, obviously any moss that is collected from a lawn that has been treated would be lethal to any CPs so if you are going to try it then make absolutely sure that it has not been treated.

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Mark - I think you mentioned a while ago that you were trying lawn moss out on some neps. Sounds like its going well - which neps do you have potted in it? how long have they been in it?

They've been in it for over 1 year. At first i didnt realise it was spaghnum as the shop said it was, but later they said it was taken of a hillside and when i looked at it properly i realised it was ordinary moss, by that time i had repotted several plants.

I have some Heliamphoras and several neps. The neps are Lowii, Fusca, Eymae, Veitchii and some unknown hybrids, ventrata and probably one or two others. Some seeds i put in it did not germinate though, but maybe dud seeds. The main things i think they like are that it drains freely, and its probably neutral or only slightly acidic. (very acidic substrates can kill the roots). Disadvantages are that I have to water more often or leave them standing in water. I lost one or two plants because it dries out very quickly and it may not be a coincidence that the plants that are doing well in it can grow as epiphytes.

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Thanks for posting some extra info Mark and Carl - very much appreciated. Good point about making sure the moss hasnt been treated with a weed killer too. I do find my plants in sphag moss dry out fairly quick too so I guess it would be the same for lawn moss, not a big issue but you do need to keep an eye on them, nearly killed a few plants like this.

Perhaps taking a leaf cutting of the ping and growing it in more traditional media for comparision would be a good idea though my fake weser doesnt seem fussy about what it grows it and gets pretty neglected - not so easy to kill them! It will be good to see hear it gets on in future, though if Marks results are anything to go by it might be perfectly happy staying the lawn moss.

Mmmm... might try one of my 'Tina's in it - I have enough! I feel a bit of scarification coming on.

Sounds like a good idea Jim, do let us know the results if you go ahead :thumbsup:

Heather

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I do find my plants in sphag moss dry out fairly quick too so I guess it would be the same for lawn moss, not a big issue but you do need to keep an eye on them, nearly killed a few plants like this.

Heather

Spaghnum, acts like a sponge and stays wet a lot longer than lawn moss...

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Hi

I have found that Insectivorous plants will grow with other mosses but only small types that just cover the soil and not the plants. But with many off our plants it's best to grow using the right S.moss as this grows were you find the plants in the wild and it does hold water into self well and that the moss plant cell are thin and does not have much chemicals that can damage the roots of our plants.

Because the S' moss plant has such small cells and this why peat bogs can take 100 if not 1,000 of years to build up peat, which is made from it with some heather and few grasses. This why we have no fossil record of our plants

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I'd forgotten about this post until I was moving a few plants around, of which the Pinguicula mentioned above was one of them. It has stayed in the same lawn moss as mentioned above and seems to be doing well in it, especially considering the tiny size it was when I acquired it...

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Just need to wait for it to flower now so that I can find out what it is!

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