bearphant Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 Here's the first plant. It is all green with just light veinings on the throat: By pecoranera By pecoranera and its delicate flower: By pecoranera Here's the second plant (flowers are deep red): By pecoranera By pecoranera And here's the last one (for today). It was sent to me as S. leucophylla hybrid, and i think there's some S. rubra in it... look at the second photo, of a juvenile pitcher. By pecoranera By pecoranera Ok... now it's time for answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loakesy Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 It's never easy to get a definitive answer to what a hybrid plant is, but I'll have a go. The first one looks like it has flava (or oreophila) and perhaps rubra in it. I can't see the flower photo. What colour is it? The second looks like it could be x excellens x something, possibly leucophylla. The third is a leucophylla hybrid with any number of other possible parents, perhaps rubra again? I think I'd be tempted to label them as unidentified hybrids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearphant Posted July 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Any other opinion? I know it's impossible ID them with certainty, and in any case i'll lable them as hybrid 1,2 & 3, but... try to guess... i would see how much my suppositions come close to yours. Loakesy: the main color of the flower is yellow, but it has a red shading which becomes stronger on the margins of petals and sepals. When the petals are about to fall, they turn orange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytrapcody Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 First one to me looks like Oreophylla x (flava x rubra) Second looks like it has a lot of leuco, not sure about the second parent. Third maybe leuco x rubra maybe rubra long lid? Probrably wrong, but maybe. Hope this helps, Cody S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loakesy Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 Loakesy: the main color of the flower is yellow, but it has a red shading which becomes stronger on the margins of petals and sepals. When the petals are about to fall, they turn orange. The red colouration is certainly suggestive of there being some rubra in there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimfoxy Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 The first one has a wavy lid indicating.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearphant Posted July 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 The red colouration is certainly suggestive of there being some rubra in there! The first one has a wavy lid indicating.... Just what i tought: both the red colouration of the flower and the wavy lid can suggest that there is some leucophylla in it!?!? It could be a grandparent!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimfoxy Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 Maybe leuco or purp in there somewhere? Could even be an alata x leuco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Paul Hrt Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 The first one looks rather like my flava x catebaei cross although the flower on mine is more yellow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearphant Posted July 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Ok, i found a proof of the relationship with [C]S. leucophylla[/C]. Look at the white spots on this newly opened pitcher: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loakesy Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 True. But it could also indicate the presence of S. minor. These white spots are also present on the heterophylla form of S. rubra ssp. gulfensis - just to throw another spanner into the works! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearphant Posted July 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 (edited) True. But it could also indicate the presence of S. minor. These white spots are also present on the heterophylla form of S. rubra ssp. gulfensis - just to throw another spanner into the works! S. minor? I don't think... the spots in that species are on the back of the pitcher, while these are lateral. And the influence of S. rubra ssp. gulfensis f. heterophylla doesn't explain the wavy lid. If i had to guess, i'd say: first hybrid: Sarracenia flava x (leucophylla x alata) second hybrid: Sarracenia leucophylla x minor or Sarracenia leucophylla x (rubra x minor) third hybrid: Sarracenia leucophylla x (leucophylla x rubra) What do you say? Edited July 30, 2008 by bearphant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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