Username Posted December 2, 2007 Report Share Posted December 2, 2007 (edited) I got this VFT a little while ago, from Morrisons. It's now in dormancy in my porch - it stays about 5C during the winter and has plenty of air circuation form the opening and closing of the doors. I just wondered, first, is it normal that some of it's traps are yellowing and blacking? I read somewhere (can't remember where) that it is normal, but I wanted to check. When this had reached the base of the traps, I cut them off. It's also sending up new traps still. And that brings me onto my puzzle: one of the new traps. The teeth are...strange. Pictures below (thumbnails - click for fullsize). I apologise for the poor quality. This shows the unusual trap and another new one (without teeth) near it. This shows a trap that is closed (not artificially - it has somehow managed to catch something) with the strange trap in the background. Is this normal for new traps - having the teeth not close over each other while it sorts itself out? Or do I have a strange trap here? Thanks in advance. Edited December 2, 2007 by Username Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aidan Posted December 2, 2007 Report Share Posted December 2, 2007 Yes, it is entirely normal for older leaves to die back. Your plant is looking good and still appears to be in active growth. I can't see anything abnormal in your photos. If you mean the way the teeth are no longer interlocking on the closed trap, then this is a normal occurence during the closure and digestion process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimfoxy Posted December 2, 2007 Report Share Posted December 2, 2007 As Aidan says, sounds like there is no problem. I am not sure if what you are referring to as a 'strange' trap is a) one which is digesting or b) one that hasn't fully formed yet. In the event of a): The trap first closes with teeth interlocked. As the prey struggles, the trap forms a seal just below the teeth which then assume a near vertical position. If the trap is falsely triggered or there is no further stimulation of the trigger hairs once closed, the trap will reopen within a day or so without forming the seal. In the event of b): The teeth on a trap are the last part to visibly develop. As Aidan says, your plant is still in active growth and, hence, the new trap. Don't worry, if the temperature is as low as you say then just let the plant do its thing. It is probably feeling a bit out of season because it came from a tissue culture environment. Hopefully, it will be settled before too long! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Username Posted December 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2007 Thanks, you put my mind at rest - I thought I had a mutation there! Glad I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxer123 Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 I see your post was December and you still have growth and feeding activity (you lucky so and so). I reckon come spring it could be a man eater - keep the kids and pets well away from it. KP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Username Posted January 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 It seems to be surviving. I don't think it will be a man eater come spring - although I wouldn't mind - I'll just be happy so long as all my plants live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewLuton Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Don't worry about them, as long as they get dormancy they will be fine. My poor lot live outside 365 days a year, no protection and look a sorry state until about April when they burst into life. The only care they get is water when needed and pick off dead leaves every couple of weeks during the winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Username Posted January 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Well, mine seems to be surviving pretty well - it is currently growing three (count them, three!) new traps, so I think it's ok. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passievrucht Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 Well, mine seems to be surviving pretty well - it is currently growing three (count them, three!) new traps, so I think it's ok. :) hmm, vft's usually don't grow in dormancy. what's the temperature? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Username Posted January 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 hmm, vft's usually don't grow in dormancy.what's the temperature? It's in the porch, so about 5C. Possibly little hotter in the day, little colder in the night. But the sarracenia I have in there aren't growing so I thought it was ok. The VFT almost certainly came from tissure culture. Maybe it just needs a while to adjust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aidan Posted January 26, 2008 Report Share Posted January 26, 2008 At that sort of temperature, any growth should be very slow. The plant will be OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeb004 Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 (edited) It's interesting...your plan looks very much like some of the ones I bought here in the states at Walmart about a year and a half ago. Those goofy flytraps aren't really going dormant either (not like I'm used to anyway). The plants have quite large traps and are very rosetted, but the leaves really aren't dying off like on all of my other flytraps. I've got mine in the cellar with temps in the mid 40s F (about 7C) and light from compact fluorescent bulbs for about 8 hours a day. I didn't bring the thing in from outiside this year until it was accidentally exposed to a very light frost. Odd duck indeed. Regards, Joe Edited January 28, 2008 by joeb004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Username Posted January 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 I've had to cut off maybe one or two traps, because they had gone brown. But the rest are green and ok. And from pictures I've seen on this forum, the traps are quite large - a couple of centimetres wide, I think. Is the fact that they aren't particuarly red (some are completely green) because they aren't getting much sun (it being winter, and them being near a north facing window)? Yes, I got mine from a supermarket too, and it is very rosetted, although a couple of the new traps are a tad more vertical (barely, though). Maybe it's a new type? (:hopeful expression:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Is the fact that they aren't particuarly red (some are completely green) because they aren't getting much sun (it being winter, and them being near a north facing window)? Probably, they need good sun to go a nice red colour. Although not all vft's go a deep red in full sun, some stay green and some just go a bit red or pinkish. Heather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Username Posted February 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Probably, they need good sun to go a nice red colour. Although not all vft's go a deep red in full sun, some stay green and some just go a bit red or pinkish. Heather So when I move them to the south facing window (or outside if I can) they should turn redder? Oh, BTW, still growing! Three young traps and one developing teeth. And I know this question is a bit early, but flowering? I've heard that it weakens the plant and if it is a sickly plants, may kill it. Is this true? And as I only have one, should I let it flower (i.e. can it be self-pollinated?), or cut it off if it tries to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aidan Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 In general, the more sun the plant receives the deeper will be the colouration. Flowering will not harm a healthy plant...or I'm in deep, deep trouble! So, it's up to you whether you allow the plant to flower. Self-pollination is possible, but seed set is unlikely to be very good. ie. you will get some seed, but probably not a great deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Username Posted February 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Not a great deal is good - I have very limited space. But the flowers looks pretty, so maybe I will let it flower (if it does). Do they flower in different colours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amar Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Not a great deal is good - I have very limited space.But the flowers looks pretty, so maybe I will let it flower (if it does). Do they flower in different colours? Nope, they're all white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Username Posted March 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 OK, all white. I've noticed today (as I'm about to put my sarracenia and VFT outside in a plastic greenhouse thingy) that my VFT has begun to send up a flower shoot. I need a quick answer, as I don't want it to put too much energy into the flower if I'm just going to cut it off - is it worth letting my VFT flower? I'm thinking to self-pollinate, so what sort of germination rates could I expect from a self pollinated VFT? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 If your plant is nice and healthy and you want to try getting seed then let it flower. I've had quite a few flower spikes come up recently, I've taken them all off though - this year I prefer my vfts to spend their energy on growing rather than flowering, might let them flower for some seed next year though..... Not sure about germination rates, anyone know if its different between self and cross pollinated vfts?? Heather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Username Posted March 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Thanks, my plant looks healthy enough (survived going from what I suspect was tissue culture through winter no problem). I'll probably let it flower. I just read somewhere on here that self pollination gives lower germination results that cross pollinating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 I just read somewhere on here that self pollination gives lower germination results that cross pollinating. Thats doesnt suprise me really but its worth a shot. I've found growing vfts from seed very enjoyable, I'm sure it would be even better from seed that you've produced yourself so best of luck with it Heather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobZ Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 I just read somewhere on here that self pollination gives lower germination results that cross pollinating. I have read that also, but my personal experience is that I have noticed no difference. Perhaps people report this difference because for any given VFT flower, the pollen matures before the stigma is receptive. For self pollination, the grower may have difficulty finding a flower with optimally ripe pollen and another flower with optimally receptive stigma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimscott Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 I'm not skilled at getting plant parts to do their thing but find leaf cuttings of VFT's (and Cephs) strike pretty well in live LFS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Username Posted March 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 I had a look at my VFT today - there are three traps still developing, the flower spike is about 6.5/7cm tall, and there seems to be another spike developing too! Is this normal, to have to flower spikes? (picture removed. Please resize - it was absolutely enormous) Alexis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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