jimothy Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 hi there. was wandering through a local garden centre (looking for something as mundane as plant labels, would you believe ), when i spotted this: It was (predictably) labelled as alata, but even I know enough about neps to recognise that it wasn't this or, indeed, ventrata, so i bought it anyway, as i thought it was quite attractive, and spotted two growth points in there. I also noticed what i thought were two different shades of pitchers on the plant, but put this down to changes in light level when the pitchers were forming: On getting the plant home, and washing the soggy peat off the roots, I found that it was actually two plants in the same pot, and that the lighter and darker shade pitchers belonged to separate plants, so it looks like it may be two seed-grown plants that got potted up together accidentally. What's more the lighter plant has two small basal offshoots and the darker has one as well, so I think i did pretty well on the whole. What would be better would be if any of you lovely people could help to identify the species (or suggest candidates for parentage if it looks like a hybrid).[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunkyhunks Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Looks like rafflesiana to me. I once bought a VFT that was actually two VFT's planted together to make the plant look bigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drosera36 Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 It's Nepenthes rafflesiana. Looks nice. I don't think that two plants were potted together accidentally; Nepenthes often produce off shoots on the stem. Although, re-reading your post, they were probably just planted together, like you said, but via tissue culture, not seeds. Whoa jeez, you're fast, Albino! -Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimothy Posted April 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 It's Nepenthes rafflesiana....they were probably just planted together, like you said, but via tissue culture, not seeds. Thanks both for the ID - my reason for suggesting seed-grown was the variation between the two plants. I was under the impression that tissue-cultured plants would be identical clones? Given that these plants have obviously been subject to exactly the same environment, soil, etc, I would have thought that the different colour pitchers suggested slight genetic variation? Maybe I'm wrong about TC - i never really got to grips with the whole concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manders Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Its a Coccinea (rafflesiana*ampullaria)*mirabilis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loakesy Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Well done Jim! Looks like good value for money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimothy Posted April 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Its a Coccinea (rafflesiana*ampullaria)*mirabilis DAMN! I thought for a minute there that we'd got a concensus going on - I should have known better. Seriously though, thanks for the input, Manders. I also couldn't help noticing that the pitchers are almost identical to that posted as x hookeriana in the competition thread... I guess this is going to be another case of "we'll never be sure", huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jf990224 Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 It's Nepenthes rafflesiana. -Ben Its a Coccinea (rafflesiana*ampullaria)*mirabilis For me, it s clear : it is nepenthes x hookeriana (ampullaria*rafflesiana) ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimothy Posted April 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 :roll:sigh - oh well, at least everyone agrees on one of the parents.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawb Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 I've just bought an exact look-alike at my local garden centre. It was labelled as N. hookeriana and for once looks like some accurate labelling. I'm attempting it as a windowsill nep as I just haven't got anywhere else for it and couldn't resist buying one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmie Hansen Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Its N. x hookeriana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hen Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 I have to agree with manders, looks like x coccinea (at least, the red pitchered plant is - maybe two different hybrids in one pot??). coccinea is another hybrid which is occasionally sold at garden centres: http://www.forumcarnivore.org/album_pic.php?pic_id=1392 http://www.forumcarnivore.org/album_pic.php?pic_id=1394 (just thought i'd add that these aren't my photos, found them with bob z's photo finder) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drosera36 Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 my reason for suggesting seed-grown was the variation between the two plants. I was under the impression that tissue-cultured plants would be identical clones? Given that these plants have obviously been subject to exactly the same environment, soil, etc, I would have thought that the different colour pitchers suggested slight genetic variation? Maybe I'm wrong about TC - i never really got to grips with the whole concept. Heh, I'm not good with hybrids... True, but pitcher color in this case is only different because of the lighting that that pitcher received when it was forming. The coloration in that one plant is only different from the other plant because of the lighting that that pitcher received. Yes, tissue culture does make the same plants, but those still could have been made from different parents, and variation will exist in plants, but that dark pitcher is not at all different from that light pitcher. Color like that means nothing, unless proven that that lightly blotted pitcher formed in extremely bright sunlight. -Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakhren Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 Hookeriana is funny. It seems like it can look like alot of things. Maybe because there are a number of different ampularias and rafflesianas. It does kinda look like a hookeriana. But considering that slight curve inwards on the pitcher, coccinea seems to be in the mix at least. Haha maybe it's hookeriana*coccinea? Ah and the number of plants in the pot, they don't do that here with neps, but the flytraps they sell here sometimes have up to 10 in one tiny pot XD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obregon562 Posted April 22, 2007 Report Share Posted April 22, 2007 it is x hookeriana for sure. search it on the net. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimothy Posted April 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 pitcher color in this case is only different because of the lighting that that pitcher received when it was forming. .... Color like that means nothing, unless proven that that lightly blotted pitcher formed in extremely bright sunlight. My point was that if light intensity was the cause of the different colours, the two color forms would be spread between the two plants. As every one of the light pitchers is on one plant, and every one of the dark pitchers is on the other plant, and the plants have been grown in the same pot (and therefore light) surely light intensity cannot be the cause. [/i] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onny Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Dear all, here I post some pictures: rafflesiana nivea, pure rafflesiana, coccinea, and hookeriana. Let us compare 1. coccinea 2. hookeriana 3. another type of hookeriana 4. rafflesiana nivea 5. another type of rafflesiana Hope I don't make a mistake to identify bye Onny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chesara Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Wow What a find 8) Onny some lovely raffs and all there Bye for now Julian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Cornish Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 My money is on it being a N x hookeriana. They seem to be doing the rounds in Wyevale garden centres at the moment. Regards Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicon Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 I picked up a "Nepenthes Hybride" at my Garden Centre last year, In the one pot was what are clearly two distinctly different plants. I believe that one is actually N.fusca and the other is N.maxima!! They are just producing new pitchers, so once open I will post pics. The pot was in the "half dead" section for £5.99! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitafit Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 which garden centre did you get these from jim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimothy Posted April 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 which garden centre did you get these from jim? "The Range", newport road. They had a couple of others, but they were near death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitafit Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 I'm probably too late to rescu ethem then, still I 'll keep an eye out next time that I pass. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manders Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 MY local garden center has them now, still labeled as alata Still betting they coccinea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikei Posted May 16, 2007 Report Share Posted May 16, 2007 beautiful plants! love Nepenthes they are the best Manders wish i lived in Widnes, Cheshire to get those nepenthes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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