manders Posted November 19, 2003 Report Share Posted November 19, 2003 Hello, I was hoping somebody could ID two Neps that I have. Any help is gratefully received. (Sorry about picture quality) Both of these are growing ok under Highland conditions. Hope you can help, thanks Mark http://www.simula-soft.com/pics/pics.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenofeden Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 the first 1 is ventricosa or xventrata, more likely the latter if shop bought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinliew Posted November 20, 2003 Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 The first looks more ventricosa due to the odd shaped mouth, x ventrata doesn't look quite like that, I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manders Posted November 20, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2003 Thanks for the help guys, anybody have any idea about the bottom set of photos, the close up of the pitchers is actually a different plant to the one shown full view. I originally though it might be N thorelii due to the geographical origin of the plants and the papery leaves with the hairs along the leaf edges. On the other hand N thorelii is meant to be a lowland nep and these are my fastest growing plants under cool conditions also it doesnt match entirely some of the photos i've looked at so im stumped. Anybody any suggestions, I dont have much experience with neps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zongyi_yang Posted November 21, 2003 Report Share Posted November 21, 2003 hmmm, i don't think the first one is a ventricosa or Xventrata because of how sharp the leaves end. my ventricosa and Xventrata ends in a rounder leaf. Zongyi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gooner Posted November 21, 2003 Report Share Posted November 21, 2003 My XVentrata has a sharp leaf like the first one especially the younger leaves but that one seems to have stronger wings and squatter pitchers (though that could be the photo). One of the pichers on the second one is identical to the pitchers on my KhasianaxVentricosa but the leaf growth is different (same shape but not as dense) try looking at Khasianas??? probably not much help but good luck. cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zongyi_yang Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 ok, i just looked at my plants more and i conclude that my Xventrata has sharp leaves (not as extreme as in the picture) and my ventricosa has round leaves. the second one may be a very young Xcoccinea. oh, and in the picture on the top right hand corner, i think i see a ghost pitcher (the totally white pitcher ). Zongyi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manders Posted November 22, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 Thanks again everybody, Ill assume for the moment the first is either a Ventricosa or ventrata and treat it accordingly. gooner, I think you may be right with the khasiana connection, I grew N Khasiana 20 years ago and thinking back the leaves seem similar, papery and ribbed, if thats the right way to describe it. Not sure about the pitcher shape though. The leaves on the third plant (lower photos just showing pitchers) are markedly hairy allong the edge of the leaves, does anybody know which nepenthes this is typical to? or is it a feature of young plants. Although this one has papery leaves as well it grew very easily from a cutting and this made me think it wasnt related to N khasiana. I guess ill have to wait for them to get a bit bigger and have a nother go at identifying them :? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manders Posted November 22, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 Ok, so I spent all afternoon looking for nep pics on the internet and its given me a complete headache. I did however come across some threads about Neps from thailand and the surrounding area and particularly N Mirabilis and N Anamensis. Unfortunatley My nep only has one decent sized pitcher and thats dead, but looking at the dimensions it looks like a photo of N Anamensis I found on the web, with similarly ribbed leaves. My Nep http://my.netian.com/~cjjm/list.htm N Anamensis So could this be the same or some other form of N mirabilis? It is very tolerant of cool conditions and is fast growing at 22-26 daytime, probably 18 nightime temps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenofeden Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 ribbed leaves are very characteristic of mirabilis, which can vary enormously in pitcher shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manders Posted November 23, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 Maybe this is starting to make sense, of the species typically available from Thai nurseries (Thorelii, Anamensis, Mirabilis, according to what i read online) Thorelii seems to like lowland conditions, Anamensis Highland and Mirabilis anywhere between the two. As mine is growing in cool conditions I guess its either Mirabilis or Anamensis. Therefore next question is how do you distinguish the two? Also this one, which is also from thailand, has distinct hairs running allong the edge of he leaves, which the other one doesnt have, is this typical of any particular nep? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinliew Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 N. anamensis and N. mirabilis are very similar, it's very hard to tell them apart. Also, your plants are young yet, which complicates matters even further. The hairy leaves are very intriguing...I have no idea what nep that could be. You may want to wait till your plants are a little older and then compare them to this photo catalogue: http://www.humboldt.edu/~rrz7001/Nepenthes.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob-Rah Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 Mirabilis also often has fringed edges to the leaves (per Slack's first book). I had one a number of years ago. The fimbriation goes away as the plant gets older. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manders Posted November 24, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 Thanks every body for the suggestions, its much appreciated. I dont really think ill be sure what they are until they get bigger, as somebody suggested, but it would be sure nice to limit the possibilities. I don't discount the possibility that the last one is a mirabilis, but its still nagging at me. The plant had trailing woody stems and was quite mature. The cutting in the picture was from the end of a woody stem and is only green for the last 2 inches, and is about 3-4mm in diameter. Its really difficult to tell from internet photos as they tend to concentrate on the pitchers, for obvious reasons. The only mature mirabilis I have seen (at kew) looks a much bulkier plant than this, and seem to have green stems, can any mirabalis owners confirm this? Do any other neps have hairy leaf edges? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manders Posted November 24, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 A member of a different site has suggested it could be a Mirabilis 'smilesii' as his has teeth on the mature plant and was originally from thailand. So i'm going to tentatively go with this and review it when I get some better pitchers and a bigger plant to look at. Of course if anybody knows better I need to hear from you, in the meanwhile thanks for your help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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