Rob-Rah Posted September 30, 2003 Report Share Posted September 30, 2003 Earlier this year I accquired a young plant of this hybrid [(S. purpurea x S. psitticina) x (S. leucophylla x S. psitticina)]. It seems to be mostly decumbent. I have waited until the autumn to see if any of the uprighness of leucophylla shows through as it has done splendidly with some of my other hybirds, but it still looks not very different from psitticina - though nice and colourful all the same. Does anyone else grow this hybrid? The pics online I have seen look very different to mine. Is it likely to a maturity issue, or is this a plant that varies a great deal according to the constitution of the grandparents used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 I have a plant which may be umlauftiana, judging by the photo of a possible umlauftiana in 'Gardening With Carnivores'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sheila Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 I've never seen umlauftiana, but that looks like it has swanniana in it to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob-Rah Posted October 1, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 I would imagine more frills and white/red venation in umlauftiana than shown in those pics.... I'll post a pic of mine when I get a chance to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob-Rah Posted October 1, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 But we're at atage where even the named hybirds seem to diverge - what are the parameters of "normal" umlauftiana? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobZ Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 But we're at atage where even the named hybirds seem to diverge Seedling offspring of hybrids (named or not) often highly variable. The difference between offspring of a named hybrid and a cultivar, is that the named hybrid is simply a plant in which the parents are specified; whereas, a cultivar must be reproduced asexually and is a clone (genetic duplicate) of the parent. In the case of (purpurea*psittacina)*(leucophylla*psittacina), which is also called S. x umlauftiana, there is no specificity of which are the seed and pollen parents, only that this is the known breeding. Consequently, the offspring has a probability of expressing the full range of genetic variability expressed in each parent. Since psittacina is a parent of each parent, there is a good probability that the traits of psittacina will show in the offspring. A clone (not seedling) of a particular plant of S. x umlauftiana will be genetically identical to the parent plant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 That photo is from the spring - it becomes a lot more red and white later on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loakesy Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 I love the blood-red colouring Alvin. Cheers Loakesy 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Cheers :) I like your avatar, it's like mine in reverse. Is it any particular leucophylla? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aidan Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Loakesy's avatar is one from the forum gallery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Did you get your plant from Sarracenia Nurseries? I have a couple from them and so far they are both fairly decumbent, though the biggest only has pitchers about 12cm long. I know Chris Crowe is seriously into hybridising so any upright plants may have been held back for propagation/further hybridising. It wouldn't surprise me if the growth habit with these sorts of hybrid offspring follows the "bell shaped curve", ie the bulk of the offspring being intermediate with only a few at the extremes - ie fully upright or fully decumbent. If this was the case you would be beating the odds to pick up a fully upright plant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob-Rah Posted October 3, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Yes, it did come from Chris (aren't some of his own complex hybrids stunning? - I hope they appear for sale at some point). I had a very long look at his plants, l but I didn't see any more upright ones, either with the general sales stock or elsewhere - though I didn't think to ask specifically at the time! I will wait and see what mine's like in a few years - like yours, it's a small plant still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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