Marcel van den Broek

Ok guys, most things have been said already, some of it actually quite accurate. Just a short summary: The ICPS applies the rules for cultivar registration as they are formulated in a code by the ISHS. There is no influence or space for an opinion by the ICPS in this proces. It is just the ICRA, the organisation appointed to carry out the registration. Information on the ISHS organisation can be found, as was correctly mentioned by mobile, here: http://www.ishs.org/sci/icra.htm. The actual code you can find here: http://www.actahort.org/chronica/pdf/sh_10.pdf. All 200 and something pages of them! Just a technicallity, but what is actually being registered is the cultivar NAME, not the cultivar itself. The cultivar itself is described in whatever journal or book is chosen, but there is no registration of said cultivar involved. The idea about registration of the name is to prevent two plants having the same name, not to work out how unique they are. Having said that, every ICRA, has to follow the code. If the Galanthus guys are not following those rules they can get into trouble as they do not have the authority to have an opinion on the value of the cultivar, they just need to see if the registration demands are met. (By the way, the appointed ICRA is NOT the "Galanthus lovers society" but the Royal General Bulbgrowers Association KAVB). Why don't we submit a proposal to fix the rules? One reason being manpower has already been mentioned, The second is more important. As the code applies to the registration of cultivarnames of ALL plants it doesn't matter what we (ICPS or even whole CP community) think. We need to convince at least 50% of the ISHS "board" to accept a change that will apply to all plants. Let's be honest: We don't nearly carry enough wheight for that guys. O and if you want to ask me something, send a pm. I honestly don't read every post as that would be a day job. Somebody pointed me at this discussion or I wouldn't have seen it as I'm not so much into cultivar pictures which the topic suggests.

It is what on this forum by some have been refered to as "one of those stupid Dutch hybrids" They are produced by the acre by Carniflora and the product of so many crosses that even Rene (the owner of Carniflora) couldn't tell you exactly what is in the mix (hence stupid Dutch hybrid). They are selected for just 3 things: to look good to most of the public, to be dead easy to grow even in the house and not get too high so it won't mess up it's growing spot if you have it on a balcony or windowbox. In other words and don't get me wrong: It is a nice plant if you are not interested to much in the bloodline of your plants, it is rather cheap and strong so a good plant for someone who is just learning to grow these plants but I doubt if even advanced genetics will be able to tell what it's actually made off. Carniflora sells a couple of pure/"known" plants but most of it is "unknown hybrid nr. 3001" (unless Stephen wants to correct me and suprise me with the announcment that this is really the namesake of his better half )

Ian, the old name was basically just a location used as a trading name, while the new name follows the correct rules for naming this natural hybrid if you don't want to use the formal Drosera patens x occidentalis.

Sorry, Typo. I was using that bloody Ipad and was in need of coffee on top of that .Thanks anyway, you have mail Marel

Thanks Ditmar, shoot me a pm with your e-mail and what you would like to do (just updating the website for cultivar listings or are you also open for other things that need to be done?)

First of all the serious part of these remarks. There are rules to the publication that can be used. I put some of those in an earlier post. but the actual manual is rather thick. You can look all of it up if you want: http://www.ishs.org/sci/icracpco.htm Second, to become a registered cultivar a discription etc meeting the standard of the ISHS needs to be submitted to the ICPS who will check if all is in order and than accept it. Having that discription does not mean we can publish it! Copyright rules of newsletters, journals, etc apply. We can use it but not publish it unless the creator was smart enough to publish in CPN Lastly the claim that the ICPS is not doing what is supposed to do. Like many other organisations we have lots of things that need to be done and not many resources to do it. Yes, we have to publish a list of accepted cultivars, but there is no rule that says it has to be published within a week, a month or even a year and thank Darwin for that otherwise we would have to say drop an edition of CPN to update webpages. Also: we do publish a list once a year in CPN, with information on publication as available. The list just didn't make it to the website yet. I said it before and I said it again: too much growers wanting service and too few volunteers willing to spend even a little of their time to provide it. I posted calls for volunteers before with very limited results, perhaps discussions like this can help but i'm not optimistic.

Unfortunatelly, within the rules I copied it is up to the writer how he publishes his plants. I really would like every cultivar published in CPN as this would be easiest for us, but one of the free journals would also be much better. Don't know why Colin chose this way, haven't seen or spoken to him since 2008.

I was looking up the actual rules on publication: Publication of your new name must be in printed or similarly duplicated matter which is distributed to the general public or at least to botanical, agricultural, forestry or horticultural institutions with libraries. Newspapers, gardening or non-scientific magazines and similar publications which are not designed to last do not count as publications in this case. Publication on the World Wide Web or on CD-ROM does not count as publication since the pages are not permanent. As for where it is published: the list in CPN states that. It looks like Colin sort of printed a small book for these species and send that to libraries etc. http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/158986237?selectedversion=NBD48030218 More details could be available if we had more volunteers to keep everything up to date, but my call for help in the latest CPN so far yielded only 2 volunteers It looks like the ICPS has the same problem as the CPS...to many people interested in growing and to few in helping out to spread information, do shows, write articles, update webpages, etc.

No, that doesn't have to be the case. Not more so than someone who describes a new species in some botanical journal and you have to pay to get it. Unfortunatelly, there is no international law that says: if you don't publish in a open access journal we won't accept your species or cultivar as it is not available to the public. The scientific community thinks that available to buy for everyone (to bad for the people who have a tight budget) is enough. If there was such a law it would be much easier for non-researchers to have access to papers. So for a plant published in CPN, you have to buy CPN, for a plant published in the journal of the Linnaean society you have to buy that and there are lots of them. researchers get the trough the library of the insitute they belong to but most others will have a problem. Luckely more and more open access like Plos one and Nuytsia are becomming available. Now if all my scientist friends would over their research to those and not expensive so called prestigious journals we would get moving.... but some people providing research money actually demand certain journals.

There has to be a valid publication in a accepted newsletter or journal. So if an adequate description can be found in say CPN reffering to that specific journal would be enough.

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In October 2012 the Carnivorous Plant Specialist Group (CPSG) was created as one of about 100 Specialist Groups that form the Species Survival Commission of the IUCN. Run by volunteer experts and with data input from experts and amateur conservationists from around the globe, the mandate of the CPSG is quite broad and is expected to involve conservation projects of all kinds. In some cases existing projects wishing to become IUCN approved may receive guidance or advice from the CPSG. But the initial and most urgent goal of the CPSG is to re-assess all species of all genera of carnivorous plants for the IUCN Red List. Without correct classification, imperiled species cannot receive the appropriate attention to conserve them. Chaired by Robert Cantley and with Sir David Attenborough as Patron, the group is currently very small (July 2014) as it was in a start up phase but with the public launch at the 2014 ICPS conference we now invite you to sign up on our homepage: www.iucn-cpsg.org You can contribute your knowledge as a Specialist Member or just follow our progress by receiving forthcoming Newsletters as a General Member. The degree of involvement you may have is up to you. Go ahead, it’s free and more members means more influence… Signing up as a General Member is automatic. If you choose the option of applying as a Specialist Member you will be listed as a general member first and later on contacted by a group member. This is so we can separate serious enlistments from someone who just like the title Specialist but if you’re serious please don’t let that scare you from applying. There are many ways to help!

why so negative about your own country's natural beauty guys? There are 9 species of CP native to the UK, then there are sundew hybrids and there are introduced populations of Sarracenia and VFT that might merrit a few pages. Add a good text on the respective habitats, distribution data etc and you get a nice fiedlguide.

Tim Bailey is writing it, not sure when it will be finished....

You can try to send an e-mail to the Triffid website with stated purpuse. Maybe they are willing to help by sending the names.

Carnivorous plants of Mauritius and Seychelles : a field guide and cultural notes to the indigenous and exotic species / Colin H. Clayton http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/3646857 This has ISBN and other data which might help the search. Other option: Triifid park, which is a very good nursery in Australia (Colin's daughter is now running it) sells is for 50 AUD including overseas shipping. That's about 47 USD.

The list of presentations thus far is as follows: 1. Little left to lose: habitat loss and the global challenge of returning to a carnivorous landscape 2. Diversity and conservation of the genus Nepenthes 3. A photographic journey around Australia's fragile habitats 4. Conservation - The IUCN Carnivorous Plant Specialist Group 5. Field Notes from Andalucía, Spain 6. Sarracenia Taxonomy 7. Cultivating Finicky Carnivorous Plants 8. Recent Discoveries in Nutrient Acquisition Strategies in Nepenthes 9. Stylidium (Triggerplants), are they carnivores? 10. The Bornean pitcher plant Nepenthes hemsleyana – its natural history andinteraction with a bat mutualist 11. Interactions between carnivorous plants and animals - what's in it for the plants? 12. Costs and benefits of electrical signaling in carnivorous plant Venus flytrap (Dionaea muscipula Ellis). 13. Introduction of Pinguiculas Native of the Japanese Habitats 14. Palawan: A Microcosm for Nepenthes Taxonomy 15. Evolution of carnivory in the plant kingdom 16. Why are there so many species of Nepenthes 17. LED lighting for plant horticulture These are not in order of appearance. There are still two topics to be confirmed

The Italian society has posted a list of lectures: http://www.aipcnet.it/aipcjoomla/index.php/component/content/article/2-associazione/654-eee-lectures.html

about 120 pages an hour...why? But seriously...yes, quality control is one of the things that takes time. Stew made a good choice by getting Alastair on board for that

Magnus opus has finished printing and the first books were shown at a meeting of one of the Australian societies...the rest is on it's way to the UK for re-distribution so it shouldn't be long before those who have been waiting for their pre-orders will se a heavily breathing and sweating courier coming down the road

We have had three spaces open up for the Cape York Field Trip. Send us a message if you are interested. [email protected]

Gold for both Matt and Nigel at the Chelsea Flower show....as usual Well done.

If it the Bob H I instantly think it is, no unfortunately. Bob Hanrahan from the US died in May 2013 Bob was mostly know for Sarracenia but I know he was very keen on Utricularia too. Other option is a guy from Norfolk but he hasn't been on this forum since april 2013 either.

Both fieldtrip and actual conference are just about full (yeah!) so if you want to come you better hurry. Speakerslist is finished, and what a line up! Greg Bourke Rob Cantley Charles Clarke Adam Cross Joel Daniel Andreas Fleischmann Jeremiah Harris Koji Kondo Ch'ien Lee Allen Lowrie Drew Martinez Mason McNair Katja Rembold Andrej Pavlovic Alastair Robinson Jan Schlauer Caroline Schoner Michael Schoner Naoki Tanabe Gary Wilson

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The three volumes of this work are divided as follows: ================= Volume 1: Acknowledgements Preface Types of Carnivorous Plants Habitats of Carnivorous Plants in Australia Substrate – an important determinant in Drosera growth habits The Groups of Australian Drosera Tuberous Drosera 30 Pygmy Drosera 44 Natural Pygmy Drosera Hybrids 52 Man-made Pygmy Drosera Hybrids 56 Perennial Tropical Drosera 60 Miscellaneous Drosera 78 Drosera indica Complex 78 Setocoris – the Sundew Bugs 80 Keys to the Carnivorous Plants of Australia 88 The Species: Introduction to the Species Descriptions Aldrovanda Byblis Cephalotus Drosera species A to F; aberrans, adelae, allantostigma, andersoniana, androsacea, aquatica, arcturi, aurantiaca, auriculata, australis, × badgerupii, × badgingarra, banksii, barbigera, barrettorum, basifolia, bicolor, binata, bindoon, brevicornis, broomensis, browniana, bulbigena, bulbosa, burmannii, caduca, callistos, calycina, × carbarup, citrina, closterostigma, coalara, collina, coomallo, cucullata, darwinensis, depauperata, derbyensis, dichrosepala, dilatatopetiolaris, drummondii, echinoblastus, eneabba, enodes, eremaea, erythrogyne, erythrorhiza, esperensis, falconeri, fimbriata, finlaysoniana, fragrans, fulva Volume 2: The Species (continued from Volume 1): Drosera species F to Z; geniculata, gibsonii, gigantea, glabriscapa, glanduligera, gracilis, graniticola, grievei, hamiltonii, hartmeyerorum, helodes, heterophylla, hirsuta, hookeri, huegelii, humilis, hyperostigma, indumenta, intricata, kenneallyi, lanata, lasiantha, × legrandii, leioblastus, leucoblasta, leucostigma, lowriei, lunata, macrantha, macrophylla, magna, major, mannii, marchantii, menziesii, micra, micrantha, microphylla, microscapa, miniata, minutiflora, modesta, monantha, monticola, moorei, murfetii, myriantha, nana, neesii, nitidula, nivea, occidentalis, omissa, orbiculata, ordensis, oreopodion, paleacea, pallida, paradoxa, patens, pedicellaris, peltata, petiolaris, × pingellyensis, planchonii, platypoda, platystigma, porrecta, praefolia, prolifera, prophylla, prostrata, prostratoscaposa, pulchella, purpurascens, pycnoblasta, pygmaea, radicans, ramellosa, rechingeri, roseana, rosulata, rupicola, salina, sargentii, schizandra, schmutzii, scorpioides, serpens, sewelliae, × sidjamesii, silvicola, spatulata, spilos, squamosa, stelliflora, stolonifera, stricticaulis, subhirtella, subtilis, sulphurea, thysanosepala, trichocaulis, tubaestylis, verrucata, walyunga, whittakeri, yilgarnensis, zigzagia, zonaria Volume 3: Species Descriptions: Nepenthes Utricularia subgenus Polypompholyx, U. section Polypompholyx Utricularia subgenus Polypompholyx section Pleiochasia, U. subgenus Bivalvaria and U. subgenus Utricularia Biographies of the Botanists James Drummond & the Swan River Colony Appendix: New Species New Natural Hybrids New Combinations New Records for Australia New Statuses Species Recalled from Synonymy New Sections Application of names in Drosera section Arachnopus (Droseraceae) A Note about Orthographically Corrected Names Glossary Botanical Latin Abbreviations Botanical symbols Author Abbreviations Herbarium Abbreviations Pronunciation of Names Bibliography Index Signed copies bear the signature of Allen Lowrie. 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