Marcel van den Broek
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Some, the registered cultivars, you can find here: http://www.carnivorousplants.org/cultivars/names.php?name=Dionaea
It either gives a link to the article or says where it was published so you can look there.
Unfortunatelly, many are either fantasy/trade names that are not registered and thus harder too find out about.
Also, I spotted one mistake. Bart Blezzer, no such person. Bert Bleezer was a Dutch grower of cp's and one of the first (i'm talking the 1980's here) to sell a good selection of many species of CP's (including some of the first heliamphora) on the European private market but he has been out of CP's for decades.
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You don't wanna know
Seriously though..Great guy, good grower, long time CPS (board) member in good standing and one of the fathers of the European Exhibition and Exchange to give the annual European meet its proper name 
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Just a quick save the date.
On the 20th of May 2017 Carnivora, the Dutch CPS, will host its (more or less) biennial visit to the Carnoflora nursery in Aalsmeer.
As usual members of our sister societies are most welcome to join us.
Details will follow in a couple of months, as there is no need for regsitration and no fees involved this is just a heads up.
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Just a small midterm reminder people: proposals for the 2018 ICPS conference in The Americas can be submitted untill the 15th of April 2017.
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at some point in time...yes
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No, not all lectures got filmed at the request of the speaker involved
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Publication will be on the ICPS channel and will be phased out over several months after we recieve the video.
This will be a) because of limited time of a limited number of volunteers to do the job and b) because we want people to attend and not just stay home and have the video 3 months later anyway.
Also, video is rather new. Printed proceeds several months after the conference used to be the norm,
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The business is closed down. Christian posted on the Dutch society FB page and some other pages that any outstanding orders wouldn't be delivered anymore and that anyone who had paid already should send him an e-mail and he would send their money back...
Like most forums The Dutch forum is really down is usage....most people moved to FB
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Not true, Carniflora has something like 6 or 8 pings depending on the time of year. I have seen this one there, not enough of a ping guy (All Hail The Dew!) to tell you what it is though
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CPS Conference 2018, Call for proposals.
After the successful and exciting event in London, UK, it is about time to begin thinking about the next ICPS conference scheduled for 2018. According to the principle of fair global distribution and the set schedule, the next venue should preferably be located in The Americas.
If you or your society feels this should be your turn, please send a proposal by email to marcel[at]carnivorousplants[dot]org.
Please supply in your proposal information on the person/society (with contact details, preferably email) who would like to organize the conference, the intended venue (capacity, equipment), travel details, accommodation, field trip opportunities, how you plan to make a record of the conference (like proceedings) and any ideas you find useful for the ICPS board of directors to make a choice (in favor of your proposal).
Please understand that, while potentially interesting from a theoretical perspective, proposals without a direct (personal) commitment to organize a conference cannot be accepted for serious consideration (or further discussion) by the board.
The ICPS is prepared to distribute information on the forthcoming event to its members and if requested, monetary support to cover advance expenses can be supplied. The conference should, however, be economically self-sustained so a partial payment by the ICPS can be reimbursed subsequently.
The ICPS can provide a grant for the creation of a record (like proceedings) of the conference.
If you have any questions about what should be in a proposal or have questions about what to expect when you try to set up for a conference you can ask your questions by mail at the e-mail address mentioned before. A “Conference-manual” containing tips, tricks and hard earned experience of those who organized a conference before you is available to help you along the way.
Your proposal should be received by the 15th of April 2017.
Thank you very much for your consideration.
Marcel van den Broek
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54 minutes ago, dimitar said:
And u have to buy the book, so u are able to see the cultivar which is quite clearly nonsense.
Correct, correct, possibly
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Yes, I'm referring to the ICPS
Yes, we do check the publication and picture
Yes, the pictures and discriptions can be found in Colin's books ( It needs to be a valid publication, not an open access publication so our registart will have seen it but we might not be allowed to share it)
Yes, even when the rules are followed plants won't look the same depending on growing conditions so you need a reliable source.
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It is not perfect, but it isn't a blind process either
There is little value in cultivars, period. It is stricktly a commercial activity and the number of plants that a really something special are extremely limited.
Those who are happy with it, please enjoy.
The ICPS register cultivars because a) someone has to do this by international standards and b) because some check is better than non.
I stick to pure plants, and if I can get a legal plant with a location I'm really perfectly happy
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We match picture and text
It would be easier to start fresh as this has 4.5 pages of comments over 3 years old before restarting.
Also the topic started with doubts about a seller, not a cultivar discussion (again).
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For a valid publication (step one of getting a name registered) a color photograph is part of the demands.
The ICPS asks for that publication before considering registration (unless publication will be done in CPN, in that case we also ahndle step 1 completely).
Why are we restarting prehistoric posts and don't just start a new one?
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very wet toendra probably even submerged. However, variation should never eb an argument for bringing a species "back". Just before the last ice age we had lions in Europe and we're not bringing back those. If you want to reintroduce something, that can be done but do so with species that are no longe than two or three generations gone and only if the reason for them to leave has been fixed (like agricultural development).
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It was an illegal introduction into a nature reserve of a species that hasn't been seen in The Netherlands since the last ice age.
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Save the date! EEE 2017 Leiden
Hi everyone,
Here is some first information on the next European meeting, the EEE, that will be held in 2017.
The event will be organized by Carnivora, the Dutch CPS.
Location: Hortus botanicus Leiden, The Netherlands.
Date: 11/12/13 August 2017
A public show display and information will be maintained from the 11th until the 20th of August.
The EEE program will follow the usual set up of having a sales area and a display area open to all visitors, while registered participants can attend the 10 lectures we will organize.
Also, registered participants can choose to attend the optional dinner.
Registration method, fees and other details are still to be set and will follow with other additional information.
General theme: As always we strive for an exhibition and set of lectures that will appeal to all, and in case of the exhibition should cover most CP species for the purpose of educating the general public.
However, we will have a special theme this exhibition. As the botanical garden of Leiden is celebrating their 200 years of relations with BG Bogor in Indonesia (for some its original name “Buitenzorg” made sound familiar too) both lectures and display will pay special attention to Asia and Indonesia in particular.
So, please come and help us make this yet another great event just like the previous ones and, by the way, help us celebrate our 30th birthday!
Carnivora
Please share this information around, more information will follow.
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That would depend on if your talking national or world status and will have large differences by species.
Best would be to look here: http://www.iucnredlist.org/
The IUCN red list is what many countries use for their conservation policy..it is sort of the standard.
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He everyone,
wasn't sure to do this as a society announcement or a sales as it is not really either (so feel free to move it).
Anyway: The NASC and the ICPS has set up an auction to raise funds for conservation. The NASC will use the profits for plant rescues, the ICPS for signage on TNC property (TNC is one of the largest US organizations to manage nature reserves etc). for auction. Basic idea is the the upcomming days people can offer items (plants, seed, momento's, t-shirts, whatever). The highest bidder sends payment to the NASC account and the offering party and bidder will arange shipment. As some items can be send all over the world and the auction has the option of items being offered in all countries theremight be something for everyone. Please see the specific rules and conditions as both offering party and buyer MUST comply with all local and internatinal rules and regulations. See for rules and items here: http://icps.proboards.com/
Please feel free to share on local forums, FB, etc
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I agree that is not anything special (but I'm well known for not being a fan of VFT cultivars).
For the record though should you insist in spreading this plant: not 'Antares' but "Antares". Unless you want to go to the proces of making it a registered cultivar. Code says informal names between " " and registered cultivars between singles ' '.
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Actually 'Royal Red' is two years older...sort of big brother...
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Hi Yunzi,
Being International the ICPS doesn't have any meetings besides the conferences. We are not diveded in regional groups, like say the German society.
We do have an active facebook group and a webforum and of course a high quality newsletter (digital available including the current issue, older issues become open access and the info in the newsletters is ofcourse searchable) and a webpage with good information on several topics, but nothing like actual face to face meeting.
However, the things you ask on the facebookforum usually get a fast answer/response.
Cheers,
Marcel
Beware of a CP scammer
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I think it is very important that everyone understand that ANYTHING you say in public is different when you take on a society job or similar.
That is because it has actually happened that people got sued and as a board member, trustee or whatever judges look at you differently.
overnight you are not allowed to express an opinion you could give just a day before you accepted because judges consider you to have influence on people and thus your opnion carries weight that could damage the "interests" of people disproportional.
For instance: anyone can say internet company X sucks, but the risk of you getting sued is much smaller if Sheila, Dennis or say myself say so because we are considered to have influence... so in general we are very carefull, we want proof we can take to court and win before actually making detailled statements (one reason why so many scum is still around, not enough hard evidence to risk having to go to court) and at the very least we state that something is a personal opinion and not a society statement.
Some countries are worse than others but we need to be carefull, this is for instance a reason why the ICPS doesn't have a bad sellers list or even an approved sellers list (because we could be forced to motivate why we don't add a certain party).