Hi friends, :)

Some pics of my plants. The eldest photo is this automn old.

Young trap of S.flava var. artropurpurea Blackwater F27A MK


U.alpina:


S.moorei:


D.broomensis:


D.paradoxa Drysdale :


U.minutissima (I think)


D.prolifera ( (L):


D.rotundifolia:


C.follicularis:



D.capensis "red":


N.ventricosa "cream":




D.kenneallyi is blooming!!:


S.leucophylla 'Tarnok':


D.capensis Baines Kloof:


D.intermedia Venezuela:


D.'Akai ryu':


And my young...."tourbiere" ...."peat place"? (I don't know the word)...it is its first spring. Too many rains..:

Really nice pics! I like the broomensis.

Nice plants, Vince. That S. moorei photo is very strange - what a huge Sarracenia!

Nice pics! I think your D.intermedia is in fact D.roraimae.

Best Wishes,
Fernando Rivadavia

Hi Vincent, Great shots my friend

Thank you :-)

Fernando, indeed, there is a doubt. But, when I've bought it at www.naturetpaysages.fr (JJ Labat), it was called D.intermedia "tropical plant"...and he told me this plant came from Venezuela. But, I'm going to phone to check.



Thanks again!

Hello,

New pics:

N.campanulata x maxima:


N.stenophylla Bareo:


N.copelandii Apo:


N.albomarginata Brunei:


N.fusca Tambunan Road:


N.bokor:


N.ventricosa "cream":


S.leucophylla Pensacola:


S.leucophylla White form JJL:


S.leucophylla 'Schnell Ghsot':


S.leucophylla 'Tarnok':


S.leucophylla Gas Station Site Perdido:


Lovely....S.leucophylla Helmut's Delight:




S.minor var.okeefenokensis:


S.flava var.maxima:

C.follicularis:


U.biloba:


D.oblanceolata Hong Kong:


D.glabripes:


D.rubriflora:


D.madagascariensis:


D.capensis hairy:

Excellent nepenthes and bog Great stuff :) Thanks for sharing

Wow..these plants are awesome! I really like your D.oblanceolata!

Amazing plants .

Thanks a lot.

Please, enjoy my new avatar:U.fulva






:)

Beautiful Vince

Perfectly grown - and nice photography! Not only your pretty Utricularia

Thanks for sharing

Martin

Thanks a lot Martin. A compliment from you has very much worth.


Two pics...surely the last for the sarracenia.

S.leucophylla Walton:



S.leucophylla from Slack. The largest trap this year:



4.5 cm:

The word is bog

Beautiful photos

wouahou the second is very beautiful !!!I think I have the same, but I hope it will becaume the same

wow your plants are an inspiration!
hope I will have a collection like your's one day

Thank you ;).



Thanks a lot. yes, I 've seen you received it. I think it is regularly described with "sotcky autumn pitchers".



I hope it for you.

:)

I'm not sure how I missed the first lot of photo's - excellent plants Vince! That italian sun is really working its magic

Heather

Thank you :).
But, have a look....I'm french

Hi Vince. Thanks for the post. A nice collection of well cared for plants.
I really like the Helmut's S.leucophylla - a beauty.

Thank you :).


An otherC.follicularis:


D.schizandra:


U.fulva :



U.calycifida 'Asenath Waite':


Drosera lanata {Lotus Glen in Mareeba}:


D.affinis {Namibie}:


And some older pics:

D.glabripes:


D.rubriflora:


D.slackii:


D.intermedia "tropical"


D.ascendens {Itararé}:


Heliamphora folliculata {Kamarkeiwaran}:


N.burbidgeae {Pig Hill}:


Young H.heterodoxa {Ptari Tepui}:

You really have some beautifully grown plants Vince. The colouration on the Cephalotus is stunning and your Utricularia look like they really like the conditions.

Beautiful new pictures, all plants are great!

P.S. 'D.villosa ascendens' = Drosera ascendens, Drosera villosa is other species ;)

Thank you.

Carlos, correction done ;).

Fabulous photography, too!

Wow, excellnt pics Vince - that ceph has got great colouring and the lanata is so red! You must be using some very good lighting The U. fulva flower is beautiful - another one for my wishlist I think

Heather

Hello Vince, beautiful plants!!! Can you tell me, how do you care (substrate, dormancy...) about your amazing Cephalotus and Heliamphora? It's in glasshouse or just somewhere outside - what about humindity?

John

Hi,

Thanks a lot again.

My plants are under 2 x 55W, in terrarium.

Thanks Honza, but, I prefer keeping modest, my plants are not as beautiful as others we can find on this forum .
More of 95% humidity.
For the cephalotus, in part: 5 peat, 2 "vermiculite", 2 "perlite", 2 sand.
Heliamphora are in more sand.

Lovely plants .. and very well taken pics

It's interesting to see that your Cephalotus is doing well with vermiculite as one of the substrate components. Vermiculite is often avoided for growing CPs, except for maybe Mexican pings, due to its alkalinity.

http://homeharvest.com/soilamendmentsperlitevermiculite.htm

slackii grow like a cake ~ Interesting ~~~

Perfect plants and shots ~ Love to see more of yours ~

Sincerely, Avery

Thanks Cas.

Thanks a lot Avery. But, I'm not as good as you, I really like your plants and shots.

Thank you very much Mobile.
Indeed, all my Cephalotus grow in peat moss, sand, perlite and vermiculite.


Cephalotus follicularis:


Genlisea sp.Itacambira Beauty:


G.violacea Giant:


G.filiformis. I couldn't do better: the flower is too small!


N.rafflesiana var.elongata {Brunei}:


U.calycifida 'Lavinia Whateley', my last U.calycifida :) :


U.graminifolia:


H.elongata:


D.villosa villosa:


D.paradoxa {Drysdale}:


D.adelae:


D.binata 'Marston Dragon':


U.fulva:


N.albomarginata:



N.campanulata x maxima:


P.gracilis


D.cuneifolia:


H.folliculata:


D.oblanceolata Hong Kong:

Wow, beautiful pics!!

Your D.villosa looks like D.ascendens and your G.aff. violacea "Itacambira beauty" looks like it's G.violacea "giant". Also, your D.glabripes looks very different from thsi species. Maybe it's the hybrid with D.aliciae?


Congrats on the plants & pics,
Fernando

I absolutely love your U. fulva! I didn't know they coud be so floriferous.

Thanks for the pics,

Hi Vince,

really very nice shots and nice plants as well , a good mix of species.
The deep purple coloured Cephalotus follicularis is really wonderful.
The N. campanulata x maxima looks also very interesting.

For me it´s definitely a D. ascendens, i really don´t understand why some of the shop owners here in Europe are still selling these plants under this wrong name, nethertheless they have been informed several times by different growers.
It´s the same as with D. glabripes, i´ve also received plants that are probably the natural hybrid between glabripes and aliciae (it was Andreas hint). I´ve informed them too but nobody wants to change the name.
BCP has offered for several years plants as D. chrysolepis but in fact they have been D. camporupestris, but now he has changed the name.

Best regards,

Dani

Hi, thanks for all these compliments, it's very nice :-).



The flower of G.aff. violacea "Itacambira beauty" is two or thee bigger than the G.violacea "Giant". We can't see it on the pic, but, even if colors and forms are the same, the size isn't the same. It is a factor? Or not? The error is sure?

Daniel, Fernando, what a very bad news for D.glabripes. I'm so dissapointed. I wanted to grow it, and was very happy when I received it. It's really a pity.

For the D.villosa, it came from a friend, I've just asked him questions about it.
Here my D.villosa ascendens ((Itararé) and my D.aff.villosa:



Do you confirm?

Thanks again.

Hello Vince,

Yes these are both D.ascendens, not D.villosa. I'm the one who introduced the form from Itararé to cultivation (and possibly the other one too, wherever it's from, hehehe! :) ).

As for the Genlisea, G.sp."Itacambira beauty" has stiff erect scapes and flowers with a larger upper lip, about equal in length to the lower one. G.sp."giant" has more flexible scapes and flowers with a lower lip larger than the upper one.

The pic of your supposed G.sp."Itacambira beauty" looks to me exactly like G.sp."giant", whereas your G.sp."giant" looks a little strange in that pic, almost like a G.violacea. How high do these flower scapes reach? They should both be much longer than in G.violacea.


Best wishes,
Fernando

So cool! So, thanks a lot ;).
I can't tell about scapes of the genlisea, because, my G.sp Itacambira beauty died, and after has growed in another part of the pot. So, the flower died also.
Thanks a lot for the help for identification, I keep that in memory for the next flower.


Last days of its terra's life
D.'Cup Trap':


After winter:
C.follicularis:



D.cuneifolia blooming with a low level of light


D.adelae first bloom also


D.capensis Baines Kloof:


D.capensis "giant red form", one leaf of a friend gave me that with a cutting.


D.capensis Giant 60 cm Lowrie:


D.capensis "long petiole". Do you see what I see?


Leaves grow like D.filiformis. It's so funny, I love this factor! Is it famous?


U.bisquamata:


N.burbidgeae...so long.


H.heterodoxa x minor:




H.nutans getting adult


H.tatei Maharuaka:


H.folliculataKamarkeiwaran young shoot grows directly adult



H.chimantensis Akopan:


H.elongata. The last leaf should be much bigger.

WOW Vince! You have astonishingly good looking plants! Just wonderful! Do you grow them in the sun or under artificial lights? I was also wondering about the condition in which you grow D. rubrifolia (mine died:-( ) yours look so dewy and healthy! (Of course the other plants as well).
GREAT JOB!:-)

Wonderfull pictures and plants, Vincent !

PE

Is this a naturally dark clone or is it so dark due to your growing conditions. What conditions do you grow it under?

Hello Vince,



This is truly amazing, I'd never seen this D.capensis form before!!! The reason why I find it so amazing is that these two ways in which the young leaves of Drosera unroll* (see below) is very strongly correlated with the phylogeny of the genus, being a very good character to separate monophylletic groups. Wow, I'm gonna have to think about this one a little more, this is very surprising to me!


Best wishes,
Fernando Rivadavia


* Here's a little description of what we are looking at in these D.capensis forms:

Circinate leaf vernation = in young leaves the lamina is rolled over the petiole (D.capensis "long petiole form" above)
Involute leaf vernation = in young leaves the lamina is initially folded over the petiole (most D.capensis)

Hello,

Fernando, thanks for pointing out this tread to me.
The transition in leaf verantion from involute to circinate and back is known to happen very easily in the plant kingdom, and was explained to be influence by leaf shape and lenght of the lamina. In can even change within a single plant during different live stages. I therefore do not consider it to be a good character for phylogenetical interpretations. Didn't we discus about different vernation types in the past?

Me too, I have never seen this phenomenon in D. capensis?
Vincent, where did you get your "D. capensis long petiole" from? I have spread a plant with that name in the past, which originates from Palmiet River, RSA. But my plant show a involute leaf verantion.

And I have to agree:
- Your D. glabripes is not the species, but D. x corinthiaca, i.e. the naturally occuring hybrid of D. glabripes and D. aliciae.
- Your Genlisea spec. 'Itacambira beauty' seems to be G. spec. 'violacea Giant'.

All the best,

Andreas

Hello Andreas,


>The transition in leaf verantion from involute to circinate and back is known to happen very easily in the plant kingdom, and was explained to be influence by leaf shape and lenght of the lamina. In can even change within a single plant during different live stages. I therefore do not consider it to be a good character for phylogenetical interpretations. Didn't we discus about different vernation types in the past?

But we are talking about Drosera, not the plant kingdom as a whole, hehehe! :)

Within Drosera we have discussed this character in the past, but only how it DOES correlate phylogenetically. Did you change your mind about this? Do you have any information about this vernation changing in different life stages within a single species in Drosera? Or even between different forms of a single species, such as the D.capensis example above?

I'm gonna have to go through the list of African species, to see how many have circinate versus involute vernation... Later though, I don't have the time right now.


Best wishes,
Fernando

Hey Fernando,

In my opinion, the leaf vernantion type does more correlate with leaf shape (circinate in thread-like, narrow or filiform lamina), than reflecting natural relationships.

You are right, the two South African groups of paraphyletic section Drosera and the included section Ptycnostigma generally show two distinct ways to enfold their leaves (involute in Drosera vs circinate in Ptycnostigma). But for example D. hilaris shows some transition, having involute short leaves after dormany in early growth, and circinate leaves (although the character is just pronounced weakly) in full growth. In D. alba, the rosette leaves are more or less involute, whereas the upright filiform leaves are fully circinate.
Circinate leaves are much more rare among Drosera, and can be found at least in those species (from memory)

D. regia: circinate, but with involute margins

D. indica-complex

D. cistiflora-complex
D. alba
D. trinervia
D. pauciflora (but with a strong tendency to involute!)
D. zeyheri

D. villosa-ascendens-complex
D. graminifolia
D. chrysolepis
D. camporupestris
D. montana-tomentosa-complex

D. hamiltonii

D. caduca, non-carnivorous leaves (which are just a petiole) just had a look at it, interesting: the petiole is involute itself, but the tip is circinate

D. filiformis of course

All the best,

Andreas

Hello Andreas,

I agree that leaf vernation has more to do with leaf shape, but I guess this means that leaf shape is heavily influenced by phylogeny in Drosera, don't you agree?! :) At least according to my phylogeny (http://www.amjbot.org/content/vol90/issue1/images/large/abot-90-01-05-f01.jpeg)...


>You are right, the two South African groups of paraphyletic section Drosera and the included section Ptycnostigma generally show two distinct ways to enfold their leaves (involute in Drosera vs circinate in Ptycnostigma). But for example D. hilaris shows some transition, having involute short leaves after dormany in early growth, and circinate leaves (although the character is just pronounced weakly) in full growth.

Interesting! It could be an intermediate between both groups, don't you think?


>In D. alba, the rosette leaves are more or less involute, whereas the upright filiform leaves are fully circinate.

Hmm, I couldn't find any pics of your D.alba rosette leaves to see this, do you have any?


>Circinate leaves are much more rare among Drosera, and can be found at least in those species (from memory)
>D. regia: circinate, but with involute margins

D.adelae is like this too, right?


>D. villosa-ascendens-complex
>D. graminifolia
>D. chrysolepis
>D. camporupestris
>D. montana-tomentosa-complex

And D.schwackei, D.grantsaui, D.tentaculata, and a few other undescribed species from Brazil... ;)


>D. caduca, non-carnivorous leaves (which are just a petiole) just had a look at it, interesting: the petiole is involute itself, but the tip is circinate

Do you have any pics of this???


>D. filiformis of course

But curiously not D.linearis nor D.anglica, correct?


Best wishes,
Fernando

Hey Fernando,

I think we should open a different discussion topic here, as this starts getting way too off-topic from Vince's original post ;).

I opened a new topic resuming your last post here:
http://www.cpukforum.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=31319

Andreas

PS: Vince, were did you get this Drosera capensis 'long petiole' from? Can you trace it back to Allen Lowrie as a seed source? Then it will most likely originate from seed harvested from a plant that I grow, and then I cannot exclude that it might be accidentally a hybrid with some different South American Drosera (like D. camporupestris or D. chrysolepis), as they usally flower all at the same time of the year in my greenhouse. I cannot exclude the fact that a natural pollinator cross-pollinated flowers of different species in my greenhouse, an thus created artificial hybrids, as I do not bag flowers except for my pollination experiments. Is it possible that you send me one or two leaves of this strange D. capensis? Then I can tell you for sure what it is!

Hi,

Thanks a lot for all the compliments, it's very kind of you. I try to do my best :).

Thanks Dudo. All the plants you can see in my last list of pics are grown under artificial lights. Please, take care, this plant was sold to me as a D.rubriflora ,not D.rubrifolia. I remember it came from African, and not South of America. It's surely because of that it doesn't like low temperatures during winter.


Thanks PE .

mobile, this plant has never been bought as a naturally dark clone. I grow it under 2x55 W. I think almost all of C.follicularis which are grown under this kind of light, and which receive fresh temperatures during winter can show the same.

My thanks to you both, Andreas and Fernando.
This plant came from a friend, who had sent me seedlings he received as D.capensis "long petiole". He said to me this species has got a locality, but, he didn't conserve it because of a doubt. But he conserved the factor "long petiole". He told me also these seeds came from Germany.

That can help you?

There is no problem about the discussion on my topics. If I post pics, it's in order to show my plants, and receive some experiments/reaction about other growers :).


Thanks again ;-D.

Andreas, I PM you.

Hi,

Only flowers
Sorry for the variations of the light.

P.primuliflora:


P.primuliflora "rosea":


P.caerulea:


P.'Aphrodite':


P.emarginata:


U.subulata:


U.bisquatama:


U.graminifolia:



U.sandersonii:


U.livida:


U.uniflora:


U.calycifida, U.calycifida 'Asenath Waite', U.'Lavinia Whateley'


D. adelae:


D.adelae "cream":


Both adelae:


D. sp. Chimanimni Mts


U. biloba:


U. prehensilis: