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D. glasgow 'orchid conference':
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Another shot:
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D. casper 'axis:D. cardinalis, a pure red disa species, can cross breed with Disa uniflora, and this is where the darker red hybrids come from: Posted Image

Two different siblings from the same cross-D. 135(redxorange)x kew foam:
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Another shot:
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D. louis Vogelpoel 'Candy':
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D. 203 'pointed petals'-this one has a long stem:
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Group shot:
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D. casper axis:
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D. louis Vogelpoel 'Candy':
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D. 122 x (casper x uni362):
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same:
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one last shot:
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D. uniflora 1104-this is supposedly a pure uniflora:
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The grand finale:
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Edited by meizwang, 13 July 2012 - 16:52 PM.


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Ah these take me back to when I grew orchids.  I got a D. uniflora (the only species known back the late 80's) and managed to grow it into flower but lost it in dormancy.  I had Vogelpoel's iconic book on the genus.  I'm thinking about getting a couple and trying again when I have my greenhouse up.  I saw from a picture of Stephen's (gardenofeden) open day that he gas one (or more).  I'm interested in knowing what people grow them in these days as way back when Vogelpoel's mix was horticultural grit layers of varying grades.

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I've been off and done some searching.  

Firstly I recalled coming across a web page back in the early 2000's that was all the text and images of Vogelpoel's book.  The entire book (well it's incredibly small anyway).  I finally managed to find it again and had to really go through back alleys on disa.com.  Now if you were wanting this book from here (it's out of print otherwise) then I would advise you create a PDF of the page (all on one page) as the fella that owns disa.com died some time ago. I don't know who's keeping the site live and it's operating incredibly slow (dial up speed).  I'm uploading it to my Google Docs for safe keeping.  It's an interesting read.  http://www.disas.com/louis_vogelpoel

I also found a supplier in Yorkshire who has the UK's largest collection of Disa and operates via mail order (no internet or email unfortunately). Plants are £12 and £15 depending on the variety.  UK postage £4 and he also sells Pleiones (which are another orchid I'm wanting to try again) for £3 a pseudobulb. His site is http://www.daveparki...co.uk/index.htm

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Beautiful plants !  :thumbsup:
I'm a Disa addict !
Many thanks for the link :  http://www.disas.com/louis_vogelpoel
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great display

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View Postgardenofeden, on 09 July 2012 - 11:35 AM, said:

great display

Where did you get yours from Stephen?

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Thanks everyone-glad to spark some interest in this amazing terrestrial orchid!  I don't think Disas are easy to grow, but I also don't think Heliamphora, cephalotus, and darlingtonia are easy to grow either.  Many people on this forum and in the CP community would find this plant a great companion to their collection, and perhaps easy to grow under their environmental conditions.

Richard-I've seen these plants grow in pure clay pellets (same ones they use in hydroponics) and watered overhead several times a day with a weak fertilizer solution.  These were the largest plants I've ever seen, although imagine the labor, wasted water, and frequency by which you had to water.  Also, if your fertilizer solution doesn't contain the right pH micronutrients, etc. things could go wrong pretty fast.

I have experimented with peat and perlite, and while they do grow in it, I don't recommend this mix-it's not "airy" enough.  The best results have been in 70% quality spaghnum  to 30% coarse or regular perlite (coarse is better).  Keep in mind, in the wild,  these plants typically grow on the sides of streams, and love having that airy yet very wet conditions.  Like Cephalotus, they don't like their feet sitting in water, and similar to dionaea, they like being repotted frequently.  Ideally, they should be transplanted every year, although every other year will work too (not optimal though).  Transplant in the beginning of fall when you see new tubers start to form plantlets, and be very careful to not damage the roots, as they are extremely brittle.  

In general, In the fall and spring when temperatures are cooler, they put on most of their growth, and this is the time they want fertilizer.  Use purified water just like for CP's.  These plants can tolerate up to 200ppm fertilizer, although it's more ideal to water every other time with 80ppm only during their growth spurt In the Summer and late winter when they are not growing, do not fertilize.   In fact, in the summer, just before they flower, it's ideal to nutrient stress the plant to get more color in the flower and to trigger the plant to form larger tubers.  However, if you have a cool greenhouse, you can get them to continue growing in the winter by increasing the day temps. to 24C (approx. 75F). and keeping the light bright but not direct.  The biggest plants with the largest number flowers I've ever seen have been produced this way.

These plants can tolerate extremely hot days (37+ degreesC, or 100+ degrees F) so long as the soil temperature stays below 29C (85F).  With heat waves, I've kept them alive by keeping them in pure shade until it cools down.   In general, cool nights are key to keeping Disas happy.
  

As far as light is concerned, if you can give them indirect bright light all day while keeping the temperatures "mild," that's optimal.  I give them morning sun and filtered light in the afternoon, although with this method, the leaves still get slightly scorched here and there during our heat waves.  They grow the fastest at day temps around 24C and night temps in around 13-15C.  

Hope this gives everyone a better idea of how to grow these plants.  It's surprising how there are very few people who grow these plants-the reward is HUGE and the flowers can last up to 2 months!

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Its given me a better understanding about these plants, i was given one for my wife(cheers Tavvy)beautiful flowers,although i hope it doesn't turn out like the pink one.
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A little history about Disas.com-that was the most extensive Disa site perhaps on this globe.  It was run by Michael Gallagher, who ran Diablo Disas.  He was one of the most gifted Disas growers ever.   He was located pretty close to me, a 40 minute drive east of San Francisco, California.  Interestingly, he lived farther away from the coast where it was very hot during the summer months.  He had a greenhouse filled with an incredible amount of plants, and I'm concerned that much of his work that he spent his life devoting to has disappeared from the face of this earth.

After talking with another local orchid grower, I was informed Mike Gallagher sold his entire collection to Camp One Orchids a few years ago for USD $20K.  Camp One orchids was set up to sell Disas as cut flowers, but they were extremely hostile if you wanted to buy plants from them, perhaps because they may have feared this would spark competition.  Unfortunatley, they lost a lot of business by not selling plants to collectors.  Over time, the company went out of business, and I'm not sure what's happened to the collection.  The only plant I was able to acquire from them, after being persistent for many years in trying to buy plants from them, was D. Glasgow Orchid Conference!

Mike Gallagher was sick, and in his last days, moved to Asia where it is believed he died.  Sad story, and it makes you think about what can be done to preserve these plants once we are gone.  My thought is to distribute as much material and knowledge as possible so it doesn't get lost.  My hope is that these plants will make a come-back in the future.

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View PostRichard Bunn, on 09 July 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

Where did you get yours from Stephen?

I got mine from various sources. I bought a few species from a nursery near Goole, and I also swapped quite a few on this forum.

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Some new photos, taken 7/12/2012.  A lot more flowers have opened since I last posted:

Disa kew foam:
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Another shot of D. kew foam:
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D. 135-this clone typically produces huge flowers and large plants:
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D. kew foam x 135-looks just like kew foam, except check out the red stripe in the dorsal petal:
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Another shot of D. kew foam x 135
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D. 122 x casper x uni362-my favorite one:
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D. 105X-nice round sepals:
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Group shot:
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They look so good, especially in the dark - like lanterns! :thumbsup: