Sales & Wants Forums Probation Peroid
Posted 22 June 2012 - 11:30 AM
Full members can not post in the Sales & Wants Forums until they have made 20 posts in other parts of the forum.
Here is a poll to see what members want.
Do you want no probation period for new members?
Do you want just a 30 Day Probation Period?
Do you want just a Minimum of 20 Posts?
Do you want a 30 Day Probation Period and Minimum of 20 Posts?
Posted 22 June 2012 - 13:50 PM
There are forums that require 50 posts before you can take part in sales but these are usually higher value items.
Lol You could scrap the probation and require 10 thumbs up before trading can commence and a future drop below 10 suspends trading.
Posted 22 June 2012 - 14:25 PM
Just my 10 cents, as a noob haha.
Posted 22 June 2012 - 14:39 PM
Most people will employ this stratagy through common sense, or if you are doing a swap with a new member then wait until you recieve their plants before sending yours. Maybe this should be made an official recommendation for the forum.
At the end of the day if someone is dodgy and wants to rip people off, the probation period just delays them and nothing else.
Also a 20 posts threshold is also not going to deter someone who stands to aquire £100s of plants through deception.
Edited by mantrid, 22 June 2012 - 14:40 PM.
Posted 22 June 2012 - 15:54 PM
30 posts, then i dont know if you can check it,but of course the post must be a lil bit interesting ,not a simple "hi" .
Posted 22 June 2012 - 17:25 PM
How about a minimum reputation score? It it would mean that people have to actually click the thumbs up or thumbs down for each post they enjoy or otherwise, but it would also mean that new members need to be seen to be making a valid contribution...
BTW I voted for the last option, in the absence of any other option!
Posted 22 June 2012 - 17:39 PM
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 19:31 PM
Posted 22 June 2012 - 19:44 PM
I haven't cast a vote on the poll as it doesn't give me an option to state what I have done here.
Edited by Richard Bunn, 22 June 2012 - 21:16 PM.
Posted 22 June 2012 - 20:49 PM
Firstly, I don’t agree with the reputation score, partly because I’ve never used it, and haven’t used the ‘thumbs up’ button so I’m sure that other members don’t do either and that could lead to an uneven playing field of those who do and those do not.
I’d agree with Martin’s post suggesting a probation period for selling and not buying, but I don’t know if this is technically possible. Andy?
Despite all of this, should there be no probation at all? If someone has a plant that I want to buy, why not, whoever they are. As long as a warning is placed on the S/W sticky stating that buying from new members could be dodgy, if the seller has plants that are of interest to members, do we need to police it? Carnivorous plants for sale on a CP forum aren’t a bad idea, its OK to sell plants (in my case so I can buy more) and I understand that some people do it for profit.
I’ve voted for a minimum of 20 posts, mainly because I don’t have the answer, but to be honest I don’t really see what a time delay will really achieve.
Andy, you’re doing a great job, you can please all the people some of the time, some of the people all the time, but not all the people all of the time.
Posted 22 June 2012 - 21:34 PM
As a newcomer I dont know what aggro went before to cause this dual citizenship.
But I think it may have been down to bad sellers and peeps only signing up to sell / further their own ends
in which case
to cut a long story short
I agree with linuxman, Richard and Alexa
Allow new buyers with, as they say, funds transferred before goods are dispatched ,
but either limit new sellers or put warnings upon them, but if we are all adults can we not apply our own caveats emptor to new sellers ? Does everything on the internet have to come via nanny states ?
( But for me at the mo it is all academic cos till NatWest starts talking to Paypal, and till I can see what NatWest has done wrt Paypal I cant do nowt ! And I dont see NatWest getting it all sorted even by monday ! )
And Andy, you are doing a great job, it may all appear to be lowflying brickbats but just dodg'em we all love you really ;)
Edited by MalcolmP, 23 June 2012 - 18:40 PM.
Posted 22 June 2012 - 22:55 PM
You are pretty much screwed whatever way you tackle problems on here Andy as we all have different ideas as we all come from different walks of life.
All you can ever do is the best you can or go with the general consensus or just say "bugger you lot it's my forum and I'll do what I want".
You have a great forum here and everybody will agree with that, if we all got on and agreed and had the same idea then it would just be plain boring. Easier, but boring.
Everyone give Andy a 'Thumbs up' (You too Alexa)
Posted 23 June 2012 - 01:00 AM
Posted 23 June 2012 - 01:10 AM
As a newbie here myself i thought i'd get involved!
As yourself and Ian know through recent experience, albeit limited, just because i,m new to the site doesn't mean i'm here to rip anyone off.
As said though there will always rogue's trying to get something for nothing.
I've always felt the "feedback" system such as on ebay was a pretty good measure.
I personally wouldn't expect anyone on this site with a good reputation dealing with me as a newbie to send me anything until they'd received from me first.
Posted 23 June 2012 - 10:58 AM
I think all that is required is two pieces of advice in bold red letters at the front of the sales and wants forum
Do not buy off new members until they have a history of posting.
effectively the same as a probation period without it being forced on anyone
If swapping with new members wait until you recieve their plants before sending yours
A genuine new member will understand the need for this.
If you fail to follow this advice then dont come crying to me if it goes t*ts up :)
Edited by mantrid, 23 June 2012 - 11:00 AM.
Posted 23 June 2012 - 12:00 PM
I'm also new to the forum, my problem was, that i haden't found the 30 day rule and was wondering, why this forum got no sale posts ;) I think this rule should be added here http://www.cpukforum...?showtopic=6727
I also think that buying plants from newbies is dangerous. So generally: first cash, then sending of the plant. A rule for swapping is hard... Maybe the person who hasen't 3 month + 50 posts should send first, but what should be the rule swapping, when you got 2 newbies?
Posted 23 June 2012 - 12:16 PM
We try to keep the forum a friendly place, but when a transaction goes bad then this can give the forum a bad reputation, even though caution should have been exercised when buying from a new member.
I don't think that we are trying to create a 'nanny state' and we are relatively lenient compared to many forums, we are just trying to make the place a little safer... but as has already been stated, it is impossible to please everyone
Posted 23 June 2012 - 21:20 PM
I have just come out of my probation (I think) and joined, as most novices probably do around the start of the growing season. With a plant or two, a keen interest of getting the advice on growing them and meet others doing so soon leads to the thirst for more plants!
For me I came onto this forum with plenty more than 20 questions so that was over instantly. I can understand that waiting 30 days in the growing season may be a bit of a drag but I don't think the forum should be influenced too much by newbies and if you think this probation offers some protection to the long standing users then keep it. I respected the rule in place and bought my plants online outside the forum and even asked where is best to go on this forum so it's not the end of the world!
The Rep scale I don't think would be so fair as if like me you are more of a question asker than an answerer then you don't really get a 'thumbs up' for your posts and could be waiting years on the forum before the next generation of newbies are able to take your advice!
Just got my first Sarracenia so plenty more questions to follow!
Posted 23 June 2012 - 21:56 PM
I do sympathise, honest I do ! Andy raised the same point earlier this month, in "Changes" post #8
and I replied in #13 "It seems to me daft that Admin should shoulder such a responsibility !" wrt nutters who would try to hold the forum to account in such a bilateral situation and that he should just give them some thumbs down etc.
Isnt it a bit like lots (not all !) of elf&safety where the freedoms of the many are curtailed by the few idiots ?
Eg. Try finding the chemicals to make some fireworks on 5Nov now. I did, thats why I got into science, physics, electronics and ended up designing spacecraft to Comet Halley and others .
Our children dont have that stimulus any more
I didnt vote cos there is no option to split buyer probation from seller probation :)
Edited by MalcolmP, 23 June 2012 - 22:14 PM.