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[epbb]

Dear Willl9,

Very nice and healthy plants. congratulations for sharing. Could you post some pictures of your entire greenhouse to see how you arrange it ??

I am changing the old 4mm polycarbonate roof after 8 years and I was thinking of other arrangements

Thanks a lot.  

Eric

[will9]

Markus, on 26 June 2012 - 07:21 AM, said:

Thank you for the photos. Really nice an well grown plants.

The plant in the 4th photo is P. spec. ANPA and not P. potosiensis.

Cheers,
Markus

Hi Markus ,the flower is twice the size of ANPA,you not see on the pic s the difference in format of some flowers and plant,this plant came from ... as potosiensis red form ,it s a reddisch plant.
This is the second year in flower ,some other clones like the green and red and green from BCP have not flowering yet ,so this is the only i have seen in flower from (potosiensis.)
But when i see on pics from photofinder ,i think you have right  and this is ANPA .
The others got flowering soon ,so i go see this soon.So i must wait till flowers for been sure of the plants ,even when she came from ...  This wundering me ,i never have seen some wrong plant before from this seller,

vorowen;Hi! nice pinguiculas men! how do they got those redish colours?? they got direct sunlight??

No ,not full sun ,only match light,filtered whit buble plastic  ,and a little shadow in the middle of the day,full sun at evening for a hour off so.

Miroslav Wonderful plants - and nice collection of flowers blooming all at once ,

today some new came open ,very dark flowers ,some are bloom out allready ,and the most of them must still came in flower ,you have a whole year flowering plants ,even in winter  
Cheers Will

Edited by will9, 27 June 2012 - 15:29 PM.

[will9]

Hello all,after all this very nice and warm reaction s i consider to post more pics from pings,i really thaught my pictures are not so nice ,if i see the pictures from other growers ,she are match nicer then mine,i don t have a camera whit a macro lens ,so i can not take pics from details of the flowers,only can show the diversity of this very nice flowering plants.

There are so many difference in this flowers and plants you can not imaginate if you not grow many of this,this are my favorite carnivorous plants ,not any other genus in carnivorous have such a diversity of flowers and plants,it s amazing.
Eric i go post a few pics from my greenhousse to so that you can see this.

Thanks andreas,when i give some critics ,complains or statements ,i never give this to the person ,but i give in general,only when people lying to me i give some personaly comments becausse i not like this,i not know any body personly ,she not know me ,so how can you take something on a forum personly.
Whit the cactus and succulent i got anemys to ,growers that where jalouse on the wrong way,but the most growers i know ,and this are a lot ,are all warm and friendly guys.I supoose it s the same whit carnivorous growers.
This is a forum over plants ,i not understand why other growers take some comments personly and give some others a thumb down becausse she not like ,but wat she not like at all?
My Englisch is also not good enoufg for sounds allways friendly ,i do my best to make me to understand ,some times meaby whit the wrong words ,but i supoose you not got match credit on a forum like this,or in a digital live that are created on your computer.
I only go to school till my 14 year and go work then in building,so i am not so smart like some members here ,i also have never learnt Englisch ,but i do the best i can,
For example,i can written many things abouth pings ,many very good tips for cultivate this ,but my Englisch is not good enoufg for explane this on the right way.

One very good tip ,when you want to multiply this ,pull out the leafs ,but let them under the other leafs of the motherplant ,all leafs got little plants in no time on this way,you lost not a single leaf,
Cheers Will

Edited by will9, 27 June 2012 - 12:08 PM.

[will9]

Eric ,a few pics from my greenhousse ,hope you can use them








Cheers Will

cyclosecta,plant can color also very blueisch

Edited by will9, 28 June 2012 - 10:23 AM.

[Andreas Eils]

Hoi Willy,

do I really spot still some space in your greenhouse? You have exactly what I need (regarding your garden and greenhouses)! P. cyclosecta is indeed a very nice species. Too bad I am forced to limitation.

Your English is not always totally correct but I think with a little thought most people should understand what you are talking about. I don´t want to write too much about this topic but I believe it´s almost impossible not to have enemies in this world. I use to overthink muchly what I write and how I write to avoid offending someone. However there´s always one who gets you wrong. In the end you just have to live with a couple of people who don´t like you. *shrug*

Kindest regards

Andreas

[vorowen]

hi will! i want to congratulate you for that greenhouse. im thinking in make one and i'm going to take some ideas from your's, if it's ok with you  
P.S: dont worry about your english, it's completly undestandable. if it isn't, how could i understand you(i'm form argentina)?? hahaha
best regards!

[epbb]

Hi Will9,

Thanks a lot for the pictures that's very instructive. Is the white curtain enough for preventing the temperature of the greenhouse to go too high ? Do you use a fan or a cooler ?

[epbb]

Andreas Eils, on 27 June 2012 - 20:03 PM, said:

but I believe it´s almost impossible not to have enemies in this world.

That's right Andreas, even if we stay in our own garden, the neighbors can be jealous and invasive !

In the past I had a police control in my home due to an unknown neighbor 's denunciation : I was growing stange things in my greenhosue but first of all, from the street, artificial lights could be seen in my garage for a part of the night. The police were warned that I WAS growing Canabis !

In fact, I was just using the fact that electricity in France is less expansive during night than during day for my Mexican Pinguicula !

[will9]

epbb, on 28 June 2012 - 07:29 AM, said:

Hi Will9,

Thanks a lot for the pictures that's very instructive. Is the white curtain enough for preventing the temperature of the greenhouse to go too high ? Do you use a fan or a cooler ?

Hello Eric,like you can see i have removed some glasplates in the corners,whit windows and door open i not use a fan under 30° ,if the sun shines a whole day ,temp go abouth 4 a5 ° higher then outside.
In winter i replace the glassplates ,i heat whit radiators,te same like in my housse ,i heat arround 5°.
The isolation helpt in summer to hold the heat a bit under controle under the bench,in winter it s helpt a lot for keep the warmt inside,i insulate a bit more then,energycosts are to high for doing not,i think last winter i used no more then arround 500 M³ gas for the whole greenhousse + a place next to my greenhousse that i warm up to 15 °,this is not so match for a greenhousse from 6m x6m  + a place from 7m x4 m i think.
Mexican pings can stand very hot temps and a bit of frost if not to long and standing dry,it s allmost the same like cactussen ,i water the plants only when she are dry ,in winter not water at all,it s just te same .Only never set in full sun ,there are not match plants that can have this after glass.Even cactus burn t up if you not protect.In full sun you can only doing outside in open air.
Plants are from Mexico and South America ,the cactus i allways have where all also from Mexico,so the same treatment like this.
I use the try methode ,i allways did ,it s the easyest and best way to give water,all plants are wet for sure.

My greenhousse like it is now ,is the finall result after 25 years of experiment and many chances in the years,i think i find the middleway for cultivate the plants on the best way,if you can set a high greenhousse ,above 4 or 5 m this is ideal,but not everyone can set this.
Cheers Will
And Eric i learn t a lot from your lovely website,i hope you go update this soon ,i see every week to this ,it s very informatief.A little more time and i know all wat stay there .
Meaby not everyone like the pings ,but it s for sure one of the most intresting best looking and easyist kinds of carnivorous plants.As bonus you got flowers that can compeet whit orchids.

Edited by will9, 28 June 2012 - 08:13 AM.

[will9]

some more
zecherii

short flowerstalk to moranensis

sumidero1

moranensis Kirckbright

rectifolia

hemiepiphytica typical

weser how red and nice this can be ,

aphrodite flowering a whole year ,don t stop

show how little a plant can be to flower,normally this s bigger

lilacina

immaculata,very small and hairy plants 1 cm


I used 80% minerall ground (sand,perliet and some pumice)and 20% peat,some pings grow in oak woods ,she need some organic ground ,so i make my ground so that every specie feel happy in it and the grow is not to slow.I know the most growers used only minerall  for pings ,i do not ,i allways use a part of peat(turf) for this,only mineral then after a while plants don t grow anymore and i think you can not give any fertilizer to them,i never fertilize any plant,if grow stop i repotted .

Another question ,some growers say it s difficult to repot pings or planted it over because she have dificil roots ,i never have seen this ,even when i repot a plant 4 times in a half year,never lost a plant after potted in or repot them.
If you be carefull whit this you never have problems.Pings make also very fast new roots even when you kill them all whit repot,the only wat you not may do is set the plant in water after repot ,the ground only make moist and let dry for a few days.You wil see after this time  the first new roots allready.

Edited by will9, 28 June 2012 - 11:56 AM.

[Andreas Eils]

Goedendag Willy,

ooh, the Lilacina has very pretty flowers. And congrats to succeed in growing P. immaculata. I miserably failed with it as well as with P. medusina! And these two belong to my favourite Pings. But my conditions aren´t okay for them I suppose!

I spot a few P. lusitanica among your Mexicans! I love this species because of their almost tunnel shaped leaves. My new seedlings are snacking a lot on spring tails. I have to carefully watch them as too much prey can cause mold. B-<

Eric: Oh yes, grow lights in the garage are very suspicious! lol ;o) I wondered why the police never checked my flat for growing Cannabis. But....as Cannabis growers use to raise their drugs inside a cupboard (or in a cellar) they must have thought those lights are too obvious for a Cannabis grower...
Uuuuhhhh....you should know my landlady!! The masses of plants I grow in my flat are quite a thorn in her side! Ten house plants would be okay, but several hundreds??? Imagine, she wanted to tell me I wouldn´t be allowed to have my windows open all day! Well, if it rains I close them of course, but as long as it doesn´t rain or freeze... *shake head* These "normal" people will never understand us plant freaks! Happily I will leave here in a month. My future landlord is my stepfather. He also doesn´t understand my PASSION for CPs, Lithops, orchids and Ascleps but at least he lets me do what I want! =o)

Oops, sorry for these many Smileys...they´re just so cute and expressive! ;-)

Happy growing!

Andreas

[C.Weinberger]

Hey Willy,

very impressive collection and amazing space you can use. ;-)

Andreas Eils, on 28 June 2012 - 16:00 PM, said:

Eric: Oh yes, grow lights in the garage are very suspicious! lol ;o) I wondered why the police never checked my flat for growing Cannabis. But....as Cannabis growers use to raise their drugs inside a cupboard (or in a cellar) they must have thought those lights are too obvious for a Cannabis grower...

Ahh that´s the huge light conus I can see from the university. ;-)

Cheers Chris

[Greg Allan]

Great plants. I really love the spec Tonala.

[will9]

Thanks Christian

Also thanks Greg,your plants are lovely as well,nice pictures, Tonala is a very nice one,it s have a very short flowerstalk

cheers Will

[Andreas Eils]

C.Weinberger, on 30 June 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:

Ahh that´s the huge light conus I can see from the university. ;-)

Not for long anymore! I´ll leave Paderborn this month!!

Yes, Paderborn will be poorer by one attraction....loooooooollllll



Regards

Andreas

Edited by Andreas Eils, 02 July 2012 - 02:56 AM.

[jimfoxy]

will9, on 26 June 2012 - 21:57 PM, said:

One very good tip ,when you want to multiply this ,pull out the leafs ,but let them under the other leafs of the motherplant ,all leafs got little plants in no time on this way,you lost not a single leaf,
Cheers Will

Hey, nice tip, Will. Never thought of this before but you are absolutely right as this provides a little greenhouse with increased humidity!

I still think maybe your esseriana may be just another clone of debbertiana. Many Mexican pings have huge variation, and I am sure there will be many name changes in years to come. The best place I have seen the variation are in Fernando's postcards on Eric's web page where there is huge variation in their natural habitats. I always wonder how people can be so definite after seeing just a flower or a leaf! I think this comes from just one or two clones making it into mainstream cultivation and then they become the definitive standard.

I don't think many people grow Mexican Pings in the UK with any great gusto which is probably why you don't get very many comments from the UK.

As for the thumbs down - just forget about it! They are probably using a smart phone and meant to press the thumbs up but their fingers are too big!!!

[jimfoxy]

will9, on 28 June 2012 - 09:20 AM, said:

I used 80% minerall ground (sand,perliet and some pumice)and 20% peat,some pings grow in oak woods ,she need some organic ground ,so i make my ground so that every specie feel happy in it and the grow is not to slow.I know the most growers used only minerall  for pings ,i do not ,i allways use a part of peat(turf) for this,only mineral then after a while plants don t grow anymore and i think you can not give any fertilizer to them,i never fertilize any plant,if grow stop i repotted .

Another question ,some growers say it s difficult to repot pings or planted it over because she have dificil roots ,i never have seen this ,even when i repot a plant 4 times in a half year,never lost a plant after potted in or repot them.
If you be carefull whit this you never have problems.Pings make also very fast new roots even when you kill them all whit repot,the only wat you not may do is set the plant in water after repot ,the ground only make moist and let dry for a few days.You wil see after this time  the first new roots allready.

Sorry to double post but just read up on the rest of the thread. Will, have you ever tried a general fertiliser in your media? I use a similar mix to you but I use general potting compost instead of the peat which has a bit of nutrient in it (not much). I find the growth of the larger fleshier plants really takes off! But maybe this is not so good for the smaller, more succulent-like plants. (Probably the difference in nature is the growing habitat of course.)

I think maybe the difficulty people report with repotting comes from the fact that the roots are very shallow; it is maybe not that the plants die, just that they fall out of their pots!  

Edited by jimfoxy, 03 July 2012 - 10:13 AM.

[will9]

jimfoxy, on 03 July 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:

Hey, nice tip, Will. Never thought of this before but you are absolutely right as this provides a little greenhouse with increased humidity!

I still think maybe your esseriana may be just another clone of debbertiana. Many Mexican pings have huge variation, and I am sure there will be many name changes in years to come. The best place I have seen the variation are in Fernando's postcards on Eric's web page where there is huge variation in their natural habitats. I always wonder how people can be so definite after seeing just a flower or a leaf! I think this comes from just one or two clones making it into mainstream cultivation and then they become the definitive standard.

I don't think many people grow Mexican Pings in the UK with any great gusto which is probably why you don't get very many comments from the UK.

As for the thumbs down - just forget about it! They are probably using a smart phone and meant to press the thumbs up but their fingers are too big!!!

Thanks Jim ,it s realy a big problem this wrong names,a few weeks ago i buy elizabethiae from BCP because i think a long time that plants i growing under elizabethiae are not the right ones.I have 4 different clones from 4 different growers that looks all the same,2 of this are named the treu elizabethiae and 2 others are mentioned like natural hybrides but she all looks the same,looks like a moctezuma crossing.
So i buy another one by BCP,this are looking very different,more like the habitat pics,finally i think i have the right one ,but the wrong ones are in circulation for a long time.
Many growers thinking she have the right ones but have only a moctezuma crossing whit a flower that looks  like elizabethiae.
Moctezuma not grow where elizabethiae grows ,so probably a cultivar .
The same whit orchidioides,the treu one must make stolons like stolonifera(this are the same plants),how many do this in collections?
The most are not orchidioides.
This are the 2 i know for sure ,but there wil be others that have the wrong names .
By the way ,i never use fertilizer ,never did ,meaby in other ground like the ground i used for cacti are fertilizer in ,i go not use this for pings,when pings grow to fast she become weak and you got problems whit this in winter.
I try to grow so slow as possible ,but she must stay growing, roots are match thicker and stronger to,it s take a bit more time before you have bigger flowering plants but match lesser plants dead after winter.
Cheers Will