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[cephmad!]

hey guys,

i bought some eden black (self polinated) seeds on ebay last year, i sowed them straight away with 5 sprouting, i lost 2 and have been left with 3 plants.

2 of them inparticular are growing well (the 3rd is tiny with 2 leaves and 1 pitcher and can be seen next to plant 1) im hoping they darken as they grow, fingers crossed and even if they dont its still exciting :) lol

hope these are of some interest to you guys.

thanks

Plant 1:



Plant 2:



Comparison:

Edited by cephmad!, 10 February 2012 - 17:01 PM.

[linuxman]

Looking good! I hope mine come on as well as this.

I also meant to say make sure you label them correctly as Eden Black x Eden Black to avoid confusion with the vegetatively produced plant. I expect you bought the seeds from Stephen (like I did) who's around here somewhere.

Regards,

Edited by linuxman, 10 February 2012 - 19:56 PM.

[cephmad!]

hi thanks for your reply, yes i bought them on ebay from stephen. i will make sure i lable them correctly, best wishes, ac

how are your seedlings coming along?

[linuxman]

cephmad!, on 13 February 2012 - 17:44 PM, said:

hi thanks for your reply, yes i bought them on ebay from stephen. i will make sure i lable them correctly, best wishes, ac

how are your seedlings coming along?

Only a feww mm ATM, but they seem quite vigorous compared to other seeds I'm growing. Unfortunately my camera is not quite good enough to post pictures yet  

[awp]

I brought 2 packets around 35 seeds from Stephen Sep last year
and got about 27 seedlings.

Some showing better colouration that others.
But growing reli slowly!!!!




Long rooting

Edited by awp, 06 March 2012 - 03:42 AM.

[gardenofeden]

glad to see that you guys are getting good germination, fingers crossed for some dark specimens in there

[meizwang]

linuxman, on 10 February 2012 - 18:45 PM, said:

I also meant to say make sure you label them correctly as Eden Black x Eden Black to avoid confusion with the vegetatively produced plant.

Another way to write it is  C. follicularis  Eden Black F-2, which denotes that they are selfed plants.

[Daniel O.]

F2 would not be correct, in fact these seedlings are the F1 generation.

Best regards,

Daniel

[mobile]

meizwang, on 28 March 2012 - 18:29 PM, said:

Another way to write it is  C. follicularis  Eden Black F-2, which denotes that they are selfed plants.

I question as to whether that is technically correct. F2 hybrids occur from a self or cross pollination of an F1. F1 is a crossing of two genetically different plants but Cephalotus follicularis is a monospecific species, therefore technically can F1 exist? If not, then neither can F2. I'm sure any botanists on here will correct me, if I'm wrong.

[Marcus B]

mobile, on 28 March 2012 - 19:21 PM, said:

I question as to whether that is technically correct. F2 hybrids occur from a self or cross pollination of an F1. F1 is a crossing of two genetically different plants but Cephalotus follicularis is a monospecific species, therefore technically can F1 exist? If not, then neither can F2. I'm sure any botanists on here will correct me, if I'm wrong.

It is better to simply call them EB x EB.  F1 and F2 are usually used in terms of a specific phenotypic charactoristic when crossing individuals with different alleles for a gene or genes (monohybrid, dihybrid and polyhybrid crosses) that cause the phenotype.   As the features of EB are not clearly due to a specific known gene or genes I don't think the term should be used.

However, the fact the Cephs are monospecific does not exclude the use of the terms F1 and F2.  The term is used for crosses of genetically different individuals of a species, not just crosses between related species.  If the features of EB could be attributed to specific gene or genes, then the parents of EB (Dudley Watts x ?) would be the P generation and EB would be a member of the F1 generation, in which case crosses of EB could be called F2 in relation to the genes being studied.  

For horticultural purposes, and in relation to EB rather than DW, F2 is not a helpful term, even if techically correct for the DW cross that resulted in EB.

[cephmad!]

update on these seedlings... with the weather slowly improving here they have shown good growth and improving colour. they we're sown just under 1 year ago.

plant 1 is showing good colour (this past week has been really sunny and its darkened alot) its producing small adult pitchers around 1"

Plant 1:



plant 2 is bigger and quicker growing, already producing huge adult pitchers 1 and 3/4 inches! its colour is improving but its not as red as plant 1.

Plant 2:



they have changed so much in such a short space of time, the weather is really helping. looking forward to see how they progress :)

[WeXi]

nice color and nice size ! i want Eden Black to  

[prized]

OMG... How old are those 2 bigger seedlings?

[cephmad!]

just under 1 year! they are growing much faster than i expected :)

[gardenofeden]

cephmad!, on 02 June 2012 - 20:33 PM, said:

just under 1 year! they are growing much faster than i expected :)

are you serious, from seed.....? That's about 10 years growth under my conditions!

[cephmad!]

hi stephen, yes i bought the seeds from you summer last year on ebay and sowed them straight away (my ebay user name is: Jlac2001)

the two plants above have shown incredible growth, iv got a 3rd seedling that surivived from the same batch of seeds its showing good red colour but its absolutley tiny compared to these.

its the first time iv sown ceph from seeds so i didnt know what growth rates to expect but i read they are slow, these 2 seem to be bucking the trend!

Edited by cephmad!, 03 June 2012 - 20:02 PM.

[dimitar]

Half year old seedlings from Stephen from ebay now they look this size under my conditions,

[cephmad!]

hi dimitar,

thats about the same size as my smallest one, amazing the difference between them considering they we're all sown the same time and have been in the same soil and conditions...

[awp]

hi, cephmad!
I am amazed by the growth rate of your seedlings

I brought mine at the end of September
It took mine 2months to germinate,
Got 27 of them germinate at Dec 2011 and 2 more at March

At Dec 2011


Six months later
At June 2012




All of them are tiny compare to yours!!

[cephmad!]

hi! looking good mate.

id try potting some of those bigger ones on, i moved mine at that size or similar each into 7cm pots and they shot away from there on in.

my biggest one has 5 adult pitchers now! :)