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#1 PofW_Feathers

 
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Posted 10 May 2009 - 13:22 PM

Konnichiwa!

Mr. Allen Lowrie & Dr. John G. Conran described Byblis guehoi mega multi-branching habit in the wild in their paper.
http://www.rbgsyd.ns...el121023Low.pdf

I have been growing Byblis guehoi since 2006. Byblis guehoi plants always branch in my cultivation. Check out my Byblis guehoi producing new additional growing points from the basal areas of the main stem in photos 15,16,17 & 18.
This branching habit is normal for this species.

Photo 15 & 16:This particular Byblis guehoi plant was sown in plug tray on February 25, 2009. The plant was transplanted to its larger pot on April 12, 2009.

Photo 17 & 18:This Byblis guehoi plant was sown in plug tray on February 20, 2009. The plant was transplanted to its larger pot on April 8, 2009.

Photo 19: Note the branching habit of another tropical Byblis species in my cultivation.
The plant was sown in plug tray on February 20, 2009 and transplanted to its larger pot on April 8, 2009.

The other day Mr. Allen Lowrie sent me a few photos of Byblis guehoi growing at a second location with Byblis rorida in the wild east of Broome. Please see photos 20, 21 & 22. I was very surprised again because of its mega multi-branching foliage habit in the wild.
Byblis guehoi is an absolutely phenomenal species!!!
About Photo 20, 21 & 22,
The photos are offered by Mr. Allen Lowrie's goodwill. The copyright of the photos belongs to Mr. Allen Lowrie.

Photo 15: Byblis guehoi
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Photo 16: Byblis guehoi; same plant as photo 15
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Photo 17: Byblis guehoi
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Photo 18: Byblis guehoi; same plant as photo 17
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Photo 19: another tropical Byblis species
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Photo 20: DSC06923 B. guehoi 2nd location E of Broome c Allen Lowrie 2009
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Photo 21: DSC06917 B. rorida left, Calandrinia centre & B. guehoi right 2nd location E of Broome c Allen Lowrie 2009
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Photo 22: DSC06924 Boab tree and ant-mound at location of B. guehoi 2nd location E of Broome c Allen Lowrie 2009
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References:
How to germinate
http://icps.proboard...amp;thread=1866
How to grow
http://icps.proboard...amp;thread=2348
http://icps.proboard...=...2348&page=2
http://icps.proboard...gi?board=byblis

Kind regards from the Far East

Edited by PofW_Feathers, 10 May 2009 - 14:23 PM.


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Posted 07 June 2009 - 22:11 PM

Amazing post...it really digs out some new material. Thanks Feather-san!

I'm surprised how quiet this thread is, considering how beautiful these pix are...

Edited by JohnnyBlaze, 08 June 2009 - 07:49 AM.


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Posted 07 June 2009 - 22:26 PM

Beautiful plants! I'd like to try this one, but I don't see anybody from The States with it.

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Posted 07 June 2009 - 23:43 PM

Beautiful plants! I'd like to try this one, but I don't see anybody from The States with it.


I think several people have it. Some of the people from our Lowrie order got them to sprout. Didn't sound too hard, at least compared to the utric species I ordered.

Beautiful pics!

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 14:51 PM

Maybe I can work out a trade, down the road.

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Posted 06 August 2009 - 13:14 PM

Hello All,

Well in my opinion I must say that there's something suspicious about Mr. Lowrie's photos. Firstly, any Byblis I've ever grown always shows evidence of prior leaf growth on the bottom base of the main stem, usually pointing downwards like so. Note size of plant;


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Secondly, using the above Lowrie photos as reference, there is definitely no bracts of any kind present on the lower main stem near the ground the supposed "B. rorida" in the photo. In fact, the few visable dead leaves that are present are coming up from what looks like what once was a finger hole in which a cutting was placed. Note the curvate shape of the emerging withered leaves from the indentation, which suggests the cutting was shoved into the ground with a downward force that caused the dead leaves to bow around the edges of the indentation... or what once was a hole. Even once the dead leaves are gone, a series of bracts are usually visable. Some of the dead leaves depicted even appear to be partially buried. Byblis never produces leaves completely flush with or below ground level when grown from seed, in my experience. Also, I suspect that the supposed "B. guehoi" accompanying "B. rorida" is one of the Byblis forms that has been sprayed with B-9 (Daminozide) or some other growth regulating hormone that stunts the internode length and produces bizarre branching and flower-producing anomalies, and is sadly...trying to be passed off as a naturally occuring new species or type-locality of Byblis. In my opinion, the supposed "second location" is simply someone's flower-bed. The final location photo is simply provided as a placebo and isn't even relevant to the "cutting" photos. Below are photos of some of my rooted B. 'Goliath' cuttings which were at one time, tops of clones. You'll see the definite relevance to the above mentioned instances when comparing the bottom main stem to ground zones with my photo below;

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The above photo is a fine example of a Byblis 'Goliath' plant that has combined attributes of three supposed species. Using Lowrie and Conrad's paper on B. guehoi as a guide (via the supplied link in the prior post above) http://www.rbgsyd.ns...el121023Low.pdf
I'll explain the combined traits. "pedicels longer than leaves" is present, which is a definitive trait of B. guehoi. B. liniflora is the only other species cited that supposedly shares this trait. Also, note the branching occuring. However, when viewing the flowers abaxially, one can see that they are purple. Per official description, B. aquatica is the only other Byblis species mentioned that has "purple backed" flowers;

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Now, let's compare sepals, anthers and filaments;

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Note the various sepal lengths existant on the same flower. In my opinion, this discredits the use of sepal to petal length comparisons as a definitive form of species identification within the genus Byblis. The filament color is pale lavender, which is supposed to be the definitive trait of B. aquatica, B. filifolia and B.liniflora, per the official species descriptions.

Now, let's focus our attention on "pedicel to leaf" comparision as a positive form of species identification. Below is a photo of a B. 'Goliath' clone. Notice that all flowers are open, but as one progresses towards the top of the plant, pedicel length decreases. The taller the plant gets, the pedicels eventually become equal to, then shorter than the length of the leaves. B. guehoi and B. liniflora are cited per official description as the only two species possessing "pedicels longer than leaves" The photo below proves pedicel length is useless in species identification.

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On the topic of pedicel to leaf comparision, take a look at the supposed photo of "B. rorida" by Lowrie. To the left you can see a fruiting capsule that's almost the size of the entire plant!! One of "B. rorida's" most definitive traits per official species description is "pedicels shorter than leaves". The pedicel depicted is easily three times larger than any leaf on the plant. Well, I guess that pretty much proves my point.

Another topic one may find quite interesting, is the fact that Florabase (a well-known and popular Australian plant database) has had the photos of Byblis aquatica, Byblis rorida, Byblis guehoi and Byblis lamellata removed, with two being more recently. How convenient! This was one of the few official, (if not only) botanical databases that is publicly accessable as a comparative, neutral tool for identification of supposed Byblis species, other than the photos of grossly misidentified plants most growers have in cultivation. My opinion is that this is purely intentional, in order to frantically try to fix the blatent mistakes within the genus. (I've always thought that B. lamellata and B. gigantea are the same plant, just slightly different flower traits) Now, the only thing growers will have is these "new" photos of Byblis surfacing from Lowrie to take their place. Proof of the forementioned can be provided with the following link;

http://florabase.cal.../quick?q=Byblis

Alas, I can say that B. 'Goliath' clones have been successfully growing in many different parts of the world by reputable, long-time CP growers for many months now. It is finally being proven by various growers that flooded conditions, wet conditions and dry conditions greatly influence overall plant growth habit, leaf size, pedicel size, seed size and flower morphology within the genus Byblis, giving the illusion of forms that deserve seperate species status. I am also pleased to report that the final results regarding the usage of the growth inhibiting B-9 (Daminozide) will be released soon, by two well-known German growers. So far, B. 'Goliath' clones are responding with growth habits almost identical to the Japanese "B. guehoi" forms, with multiple branchings occurring from leaf bracts, shortened internodes and over-all size and increased inflorescences, including huge flowers. Official detailed research documents and photos will be released soon on the Florida Carnivorous Plant Society's website and Forums. I guess i'll now step down from my soap box and leave you with photos of my latest creation, Byblis 'Goliath' "Multicolored variant". I will make myself available, should anyone wish to discuss the above instances quietly, intelligently and in a gentlemanly fashion.

I'm guessing that the links I've provided, along with the photos in question may magically disappear or be altered after certain people read this post. Should that be the case, I'll gladly provide the proper research tools to anyone that asks, as I've legally purchased actual copies of the above mentioned reference materials, descriptions and papers.

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Documentation of pulvinus;
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Happy Growing,

Brian Barnes
ICPS Director of Conservation
President/The Florida Carnivorous Plant Society
8/6/2009

Added 8/7/09; The above article is the opinion of Brian Barnes. It in no way, reflects the opinions of the ICPS.

Edited by Drosera5150, 08 August 2009 - 12:14 PM.


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Posted 08 August 2009 - 14:32 PM

Dear Drosera5150-san,

I am surprised that you are still claiming I use B-9 to grow my plants. What scientific evidence do you have to accuse me of using B-9?
I am looking forward to seeing the Byblis plants that are treated with B-9 by German cp growers.
To my knowledge B-9 causes the promotion of branching, an increase in flower number and dwarfing.
However I believe their Byblis plants will not look like the Byblis plants in my photos because I never use B-9 or any growth control chemicals/hormones.
The only chemical I use is GA3 for germination.

Please see: http://www.cpukforum...showtopic=32785

Henry-san has wondered why his plants do not branch. I do not know his cultivation method but it looks like his soil is hard and heavy. His cultivation skill will improve as his skill levels grow with time. Note the short internodes of his plant. I believe he does not use B-9 or similar chemicals to achieve this.

You wrote "In my opinion, the supposed "second location" is simply someone's flower-bed."

I think your opinion is unacceptable for you to suggest Mr.Allen Lowrie of staging the photograph of B. rorida growing with B. guehoi in someone’s flower bed. There is not one thread of evidence of staging in the photo(s) to back-up your opinion. I have seen the whole sequence of photos Allen-san took from photo 6915 to 6926 which includes the habitat photo 6924 which you claim is simply provided as a placebo and isn’t even relevant to photo 6917.

DSC06915 B. guehoi 2nd location E of Broome © Allen Lowrie 2009
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DSC06917 B. rorida left, Calandrinia centre & B. guehoi right 2nd location E of Broome © Allen Lowrie 2009
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DSC06920 B. guehoi 2nd location E of Broome © Allen Lowrie 2009
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DSC06921 B. rorida that grows with B. guehoi 2nd location E of Broome © Allen Lowrie 2009
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DSC06923 B. guehoi 2nd location E of Broome © Allen Lowrie 2009
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DSC06924 Boab tree and ant-mound at location of B. guehoi 2nd location E of Broome © Allen Lowrie 2009
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DSC06925 D. broomensis © Allen Lowrie 2009
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DSC06926 D. broomensis © Allen Lowrie 2009
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I believe that the Byblis plants treated with B-9 by German cp growers will not look like the Byblis plants in my photos. German cp growers may obtain some good results after they use B-9. However, I believe they will soon realize that B-9 is a technology that may not translate into an improvement of their cultivation skills. I guess many cp growers including me, do not strive for such techniques.

Kind regards from the Far East

Edited by PofW_Feathers, 10 August 2009 - 05:59 AM.


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Posted 10 August 2009 - 13:42 PM

Greetings,

Interesting photos of Drosera broomensis 'in situ'...

Then perhaps someone chose to only clean the dead growth from around the Byblis examples, and not the D. broomensis then?

Thank you for sharing those,

Brian.

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Posted 27 July 2011 - 03:10 AM

Please see

Cindy-san’s result:
http://icps.proboard...lay&thread=4953
and(not or)
http://www.terraforu...ad.php?t=127854


JohnnyBlaze-san’s result:
http://www.cpukforum...showtopic=38180
and(not or)
http://www.cpukforum...showtopic=38315

Kind regards from the Far East

Edited by PofW_Feathers, 30 July 2011 - 02:30 AM.