cephmad! Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) hey guys, i bought some eden black (self polinated) seeds on ebay last year, i sowed them straight away with 5 sprouting, i lost 2 and have been left with 3 plants. 2 of them inparticular are growing well (the 3rd is tiny with 2 leaves and 1 pitcher and can be seen next to plant 1) im hoping they darken as they grow, fingers crossed and even if they dont its still exciting :) lol hope these are of some interest to you guys. thanks Plant 1: Plant 2: Comparison: Edited February 10, 2012 by cephmad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linuxman Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) Looking good! I hope mine come on as well as this. I also meant to say make sure you label them correctly as Eden Black x Eden Black to avoid confusion with the vegetatively produced plant. I expect you bought the seeds from Stephen (like I did) who's around here somewhere. Regards, Edited February 10, 2012 by linuxman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cephmad! Posted February 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 hi thanks for your reply, yes i bought them on ebay from stephen. i will make sure i lable them correctly, best wishes, ac how are your seedlings coming along? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linuxman Posted February 13, 2012 Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 hi thanks for your reply, yes i bought them on ebay from stephen. i will make sure i lable them correctly, best wishes, ac how are your seedlings coming along? Only a feww mm ATM, but they seem quite vigorous compared to other seeds I'm growing. Unfortunately my camera is not quite good enough to post pictures yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awp Posted March 6, 2012 Report Share Posted March 6, 2012 (edited) I brought 2 packets around 35 seeds from Stephen Sep last year and got about 27 seedlings. Some showing better colouration that others. But growing reli slowly!!!! Long rooting Edited March 6, 2012 by awp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenofeden Posted March 6, 2012 Report Share Posted March 6, 2012 glad to see that you guys are getting good germination, fingers crossed for some dark specimens in there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meizwang Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 I also meant to say make sure you label them correctly as Eden Black x Eden Black to avoid confusion with the vegetatively produced plant. Another way to write it is C. follicularis Eden Black F-2, which denotes that they are selfed plants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel O. Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 F2 would not be correct, in fact these seedlings are the F1 generation. Best regards, Daniel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 Another way to write it is C. follicularis Eden Black F-2, which denotes that they are selfed plants. I question as to whether that is technically correct. F2 hybrids occur from a self or cross pollination of an F1. F1 is a crossing of two genetically different plants but Cephalotus follicularis is a monospecific species, therefore technically can F1 exist? If not, then neither can F2. I'm sure any botanists on here will correct me, if I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus B Posted March 28, 2012 Report Share Posted March 28, 2012 I question as to whether that is technically correct. F2 hybrids occur from a self or cross pollination of an F1. F1 is a crossing of two genetically different plants but Cephalotus follicularis is a monospecific species, therefore technically can F1 exist? If not, then neither can F2. I'm sure any botanists on here will correct me, if I'm wrong. It is better to simply call them EB x EB. F1 and F2 are usually used in terms of a specific phenotypic charactoristic when crossing individuals with different alleles for a gene or genes (monohybrid, dihybrid and polyhybrid crosses) that cause the phenotype. As the features of EB are not clearly due to a specific known gene or genes I don't think the term should be used. However, the fact the Cephs are monospecific does not exclude the use of the terms F1 and F2. The term is used for crosses of genetically different individuals of a species, not just crosses between related species. If the features of EB could be attributed to specific gene or genes, then the parents of EB (Dudley Watts x ?) would be the P generation and EB would be a member of the F1 generation, in which case crosses of EB could be called F2 in relation to the genes being studied. For horticultural purposes, and in relation to EB rather than DW, F2 is not a helpful term, even if techically correct for the DW cross that resulted in EB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cephmad! Posted May 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 update on these seedlings... with the weather slowly improving here they have shown good growth and improving colour. they we're sown just under 1 year ago. plant 1 is showing good colour (this past week has been really sunny and its darkened alot) its producing small adult pitchers around 1" Plant 1: plant 2 is bigger and quicker growing, already producing huge adult pitchers 1 and 3/4 inches! its colour is improving but its not as red as plant 1. Plant 2: they have changed so much in such a short space of time, the weather is really helping. looking forward to see how they progress :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jozef Havrilcak Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 nice color and nice size ! i want Eden Black to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prized Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 OMG... How old are those 2 bigger seedlings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cephmad! Posted June 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 just under 1 year! they are growing much faster than i expected :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenofeden Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 just under 1 year! they are growing much faster than i expected :) are you serious, from seed.....? That's about 10 years growth under my conditions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cephmad! Posted June 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 (edited) hi stephen, yes i bought the seeds from you summer last year on ebay and sowed them straight away (my ebay user name is: Jlac2001) the two plants above have shown incredible growth, iv got a 3rd seedling that surivived from the same batch of seeds its showing good red colour but its absolutley tiny compared to these. its the first time iv sown ceph from seeds so i didnt know what growth rates to expect but i read they are slow, these 2 seem to be bucking the trend! Edited June 3, 2012 by cephmad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimitar Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 Half year old seedlings from Stephen from ebay now they look this size under my conditions, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cephmad! Posted June 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2012 hi dimitar, thats about the same size as my smallest one, amazing the difference between them considering they we're all sown the same time and have been in the same soil and conditions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awp Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 hi, cephmad! I am amazed by the growth rate of your seedlings I brought mine at the end of September It took mine 2months to germinate, Got 27 of them germinate at Dec 2011 and 2 more at March At Dec 2011 Six months later At June 2012 All of them are tiny compare to yours!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cephmad! Posted June 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 hi! looking good mate. id try potting some of those bigger ones on, i moved mine at that size or similar each into 7cm pots and they shot away from there on in. my biggest one has 5 adult pitchers now! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awp Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 Looking forward to see more photos of ur seedlings soon! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cephmad! Posted June 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 hi, just took some new photo's tonight, got a snap of my 3rd (tiny) seeling. all planted at the same time but this ones still really small. plant 1: plant 1: plant 2: plant 2: plant 2: plant 3: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 I'm absolutely amazed at the size of plant 1 and 2! How on earth have you got them to grow so large in such a short period of time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veek Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 I'd love to know to. Do you give them fertilizer or something like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cephmad! Posted June 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 hi, haha im not sure myself?! i only started keeping cephs 2 years ago, i just keep them in a tray on my kitchen window cill all year round, its south facing and they seem to do well. iv never fertilsed my plants, they eat what they catch. one thing i have noticed which im not sure if it is contributing to them doing so well is in the summer my trays and the soil get alot of small black flys living in the damp conditions... they dont seem to do the plants any harm (i.e not green fly/ blackfly... but like tiny black blue bottles??)they hover around and just seem to live on the water and damp soil, i think my plants must eat alot of these, i dont force feed them normally unless i happen to kill an annoying fly trapped in the house with a news paper lol. the soil i use is just from ebay bought as saracena compost. iv got some other clones too and all my plants seem to do well but these 2 seedlings grow noticeably quicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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