Morph Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 I took some pics today off my Ceph "Big boy". This is atm my favourite plant (: Pic: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispy Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Looks like it traveled well! Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 I like Cephalotus "Big Boy" clone... I wish that it was a registered cultivar though. I thought about registering it myself, crediting it to the original grower obviously, but I'm not sure that he would be happy about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petesredtraps Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Morph you're gonna enjoy your Bigboy. It's a real vigorous grower, nice big pitchers, seems a bit tougher than other Cephs, just a great plant. I see you've potted it up with lot's of room on a nice big mound, now that's how to pamper your Ceph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Morph Posted April 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Morph you're gonna enjoy your Bigboy. It's a real vigorous grower, nice big pitchers, seems a bit tougher than other Cephs, just a great plant. I see you've potted it up with lot's of room on a nice big mound, now that's how to pamper your Ceph Thnx all and yes I already like it very mutch And yes I have made it like that because the plant can stay for long without repott for a long time. Your red moss is shipped also (: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petesredtraps Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Thnx all and yes I already like it very mutch And yes I have made it like that because the plant can stay for long without repott for a long time. Your red moss is shipped also (: Thanks mate . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenofeden Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 I like Cephalotus "Big Boy" clone... I wish that it was a registered cultivar though. I thought about registering it myself, crediting it to the original grower obviously, but I'm not sure that he would be happy about that. he's never happy, so you might as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 he's never happy, so you might as well! No, it's his plant so I have no right to register it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macro Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 Truly a great form and one of my favourites as well. Love the colour and texture. Eden black is on my Christmas list, if anyone has one spare (how long is the waiting list, TC?). There is only 2 registered varieties of Cephalotus, if I not mistaken (Hummer's giant & Eden black). Maybe we could all sign a request to have Big boy registered? Why don't every one interested reply to this thread, just as inspiration or assistance to the original grower, "Fredg". Lovely plant Fred. Riaan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 (edited) You don't need people to sign a request to have it registered as a cultivar, you just need to publish a description and picture in a recognised journal. It is unlikely that FredG will read this thread as he is no longer a member of this forum, or other CP forums as far as I know. He might not be happy to find out that someone registered it without consulting him though. http://www.carnivorousplants.org/cultivars...tivarsmain.html There are quite a few unregistered Cephalotus varieties: Cephalotus "Adrian Slack" Cephalotus x ["Adrian Slack" x "Phil Mann"] Cephalotus "Big Boy" Cephalotus "Czech Giant" Cephalotus "Double-Ribbed" Cephalotus "Dudley Watts" Cephalotus "Eden Black Sister" Cephalotus "German Giant" Cephalotus "Giant" Cephalotus "Julie Jones" Cephalotus "Munich Giant" Cephalotus "Nornalup Red Leaf" Cephalotus "Phil Mann" Cephalotus "Slack Giant" Cephalotus "Vigorous Clumping" List source from: http://www.cpphotofinder.com/ Edited September 25, 2010 by mobile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macro Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 Thanks for the info mobile, any idea why he left and his standing on getting the form published and registered? Might try to persuade him at least to grant permission to pursue this and attribute him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan P Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 Nice plant! I have a ''Big Boy'' as well, I am hoping it starts to produce mature pitchers next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 Thanks for the info mobile, any idea why he left and his standing on getting the form published and registered? Might try to persuade him at least to grant permission to pursue this and attribute him. I have an idea of why he left but that's history. In order to persuade him you would need contact details and for privacy reasons I am not sure that anyone will supply you with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenofeden Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 Fred dips into the ICPS forum occasionally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenofeden Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 but the main question is "does this plant merit cultivar status?" If it does, how would you describe it? I cannot think of a description which would easily separate it from any other Cephalotus placed alongside...if it cannot be easily separated, should it be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 but the main question is "does this plant merit cultivar status?" If it does, how would you describe it? I cannot think of a description which would easily separate it from any other Cephalotus placed alongside...if it cannot be easily separated, should it be? Would it not merit it in the same way as 'Hummer's Giant' does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macro Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 (edited) Interesting thoughts! How is Hummer's Giant described? EDIT: Here we go - N: $[Cephalotus ' Hummer's Giant ' {J.Hummer}] P: Carniv.Pl.Newslett.29:119 (2000) PW: www.carnivorousplants.org/cpn/Species/v29n4p116_122.html#hummers S: =[Cephalotus follicularis {Labill.}] B: J.Hummer, Arlington, VA, USA, 9. 1986 Nominant: J.Hummer, 3. 4. 2000 Registrant: J.Hummer, 10. 5. 2000 HC: Registered 29. 1. 2001 {JS} Description: Carniv.Pl.Newslett.29:119 (2000) "This particular clone produces pitcher leaves up to 6 (-8) cm (2.5-3 inches) in length and about 2.5 cm (1 inch) in width. It usually takes about three years for plantlets grown from leaf cuttings to reach maturity and full size. (...) Since at maturity this clone reaches much larger sizes than normal [Cephalotus {Labill.}] plants in cultivation, I am establishing it as a cultivar (...)." taken from http://www.omnisterra.com/botany/cp/pictur...alot/cindex.htm Edited September 25, 2010 by Macro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 Interesting thoughts! How is Hummer's Giant described? http://www.carnivorousplants.org/cultivars...tivars/v29.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mags Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 Interesting thoughts! How is Hummer's Giant described? http://www.carnivorousplants.org/cpn/Speci...22.html#hummers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenofeden Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 Would it not merit it in the same way as 'Hummer's Giant' does? I don't think 'Hummer's Giant' does merit it, it is an awful description. The way the description is worded, any plant with pitchers "to 6 cm (2.5 inches) in length and about 2.5 cm (1 inch) in width" could be considered to be the cultivar. I only have one clone that matches the description, which is based on pitcher size alone, and that is Dudley Watts' clone! I have never seen a 'Hummers' Giant' with pitchers "up to 6 cm (2.5 inches) in length", therefore I have never seen a true 'Hummers' Giant'. Grow it in shade and you may get larger pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 (edited) I don't think 'Hummer's Giant' does merit it, it is an awful description. The way the description is worded, any plant with pitchers "to 6 cm (2.5 inches) in length and about 2.5 cm (1 inch) in width" could be considered to be the cultivar.I only have one clone that matches the description, which is based on pitcher size alone, and that is Dudley Watts' clone! I have never seen a 'Hummers' Giant' with pitchers "up to 6 cm (2.5 inches) in length", therefore I have never seen a true 'Hummers' Giant'. Grow it in shade and you may get larger pitchers. Editor's note: As John mentioned in his article, he has been distributing this cultivar for many years. Growers with gigantic Cephalotus specimens can be quite confident it is the same clone that John described in his article Stephen, you must have wrongly labelled your "Dudley Watts'" clone, it is clearly a 'Hummer's Giant', as it matches the cultivar description Edited September 25, 2010 by mobile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenofeden Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 Stephen, you must have wrongly labelled your "Dudley Watts'" clone, it is clearly a 'Hummer's Giant', as it matches the cultivar description Clearly. The editor's note is unhelpful and, plainly, incorrect with the usual US-centric bias... I note the John grows all his Cephalotus indoors, presumably under lights? Perhaps this illustrates some of the dangers of publishing cultivars grown in artificial conditions, which perhaps do not then show their true nature when exposed to "real" light. Drosera 'Big Easy' (sic) springs to mind for some reason... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 (edited) Clearly.The editor's note is unhelpful and, plainly, incorrect with the usual US-centric bias... I note the John grows all his Cephalotus indoors, presumably under lights? Perhaps this illustrates some of the dangers of publishing cultivars grown in artificial conditions, which perhaps do not then show their true nature when exposed to "real" light. Drosera 'Big Easy' (sic) springs to mind for some reason... It brings into question whether a clone should be given cultivar status if its characteristics cannot be readily reproduced. The pitchers on my now established 'Hummer's Giant' are smaller than those on my "clumping form", growing in the same location. Edited September 25, 2010 by mobile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile Posted September 25, 2010 Report Share Posted September 25, 2010 Stephen, You have a Cephalotus clone that you refer to as "clumping form", I too have one that I refer to with the same name. I don't know the origin of yours, or the true origin of mine, but they match the same name description. So, these two plants might or might not be from the same origin. However, if you or I register the name as a cultivar, with the characteristic being 'clumping', then basically we can both call the plant the same cultivar... even though it might not be the same clone... how bazaar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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