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  1. The EU is undemocratic and corrupt, they used to pay may salary, as an expert, and i know more about it than you do. They make sebb blata look innocent and fifa a bastion of righteousness. As i said earlier for economic reasons i would prefer to stay in Europe, but there is no certainty that economically that is the correct thing to do do, Europe has a lot of economic problems, italy is corrupt beyond belief and will likely follow Greece's economic path to oblivion. Economics is not a hard science and economists are very frequently wrong. Many were wrong in predicting disaster directly after voting to leave for example, and, they admitted they were wrong. Greg, we get it that your a legal guy who will argue legal niceties until the the cows come home and force us all to drop dead through lack of a will to live from listening to your rambles. Thats legal folks gift to the world and death to many a business. If i got a very large inheritence i would not trust any 'advisor' because they are only in it for their own benefit. Caveat emptor old boy. I can only assume you have some personal benefit from remaining in the EU. Acuially no, the main issue for the forthcoming election is giving the tories a bigger majority, getting rid of that idiot Corbin, and facing the EU with a strong government. Like it or not, we are leaving and need to get the best deal possible when we do. Greg, don't confuse qualifications with IQ or EQ. Theres is many a union leader that will run rings around the best brains at the top of any company. People get to be 'experts' by pedigree, not neccesarily, by ability. I think there are extremely valid reasons to vote to leave, but i also think many people voted to leave for very poor or frankly stupid reasons and that is the root of the problem, curtesy of Farage and co. Had people believed the real facts, i dont think we would be leaving.
  2. That doesnt seem like a likely explanation. As allready discussed, a peat ban was unlikely under EU law. No other country in the EU wants a peat ban and a unilateral uk peat ban wouldn't probably have been possible without EU approval. (According to Defra, and they should know). Far more likely the CPS just went allong with the flow and didn't want to get pilloried by the general public or anybody else for being un-green. Essentially a political decision i suspect. A pragmatic approach surely would have been lobbying of peat use for specialised nurseries using sustainably managed peat?
  3. We need a trade deal with Canada that includes a clause that sustainably managed canadian peat can be imported. CPS, get to it!
  4. Of course it is possible to raise Nepenthes seedlings without peat. Live spagh works, coco peat can work or forest moss etc can be used. It just isnt as convenient. As a point of interest, the sight of a local ordnance factory was turned back into a peat bog in the late 1970's. Bogs can be regenerated. It would be good to here what these 'pragmatic' reasons are.
  5. The only way this would change is if large scale commercial interests were badly impacted, which may well prove to be the case, but until that happens do you honestly think the UK government is going to change it's mind because of a few eccentrics moaning on about the impact on their slightly weird hobby?
  6. Greg, did you grow the Nepenthes from seed? It's way beyond the CPS to do anything about it, peat use reduction will be factored into the governments CO2 emission targets, no amount of lobbying by a minority interest group is going to change that. Doesn't mean to say we have to be happy or quiet about it.
  7. Peat can be harvested sustainably and the the world is simply not short of peat bogs. Less than 1 percent of the worlds peat bogs have ever been touched by extraction. Several countries in Europe sustainably harvest peat. There is simply no scientific reason for a UK horticultural ban. if the UK wants to protect specific sites, make them protected. The UK can still allow imports of peat from countries that harvest sustainably or simply dont have any shortage of the stuff. The reality is Defra is pushing this through on a CO2 reduction emmission ticket. It's the same faulty logic that has us burning imported wood from the US in power stations.
  8. Some more quotes, image: TAGS:peat Specialist nurseries say a ban on peat could put them out of business – and wreck efforts to conserve plants that are now extinct in their natural habitats. image: Matthew Soper of Hampshire Carnivorous Plants The UK government wants to ban peat use by amateur gardeners by 2020 and halt its use at nurseries by 2030. However, other EU countries do not intend to phase out peat. And Dutch peat firms are reported to be gearing up to flood the UK market with imported plants, if UK nurseries shut up shop. “Some of the plants we exhibit are now extinct in the wild, but we need peat to grow them,” said Matthew Soper, of Hampshire Carnivorous Plants in Southampton. “If a peat ban comes in we’ll have to stop. I don’t know what we’re going to do. I’ve heard people say there’s no place for peat but that’s a load of rubbish. “Of course, peat shouldn’t be used as a soil improver, but certain species need it. “We have trialled the alternatives but had disappointing results – they just don’t work. English growers will be put at a disadvantage to the Dutch,” Matthew warned. Dave Parkinson, co-owner of east Yorkshire-based disa orchid specialist Dave Parkinson Plants, agreed. “We have two choices: peat or sphagnum moss,” Dave said. image: Dave Parkinson of Dave Parkinson Plants “If we had to use sphagnum moss, our 40-50,000 plants would need re-potting once or twice a year, as the moss starts to break down. “I just wouldn’t do it. We’d shut. If we lose peat, I’m finished. We’ve looked at alternatives for 20 years and there’s nothing in the same league as peat.” Dave said that disa orchids grown in peat alternatives “stop growing and die” and claimed that compost containing recycled green waste is too high in nutrients. “It kills them [disa orchids] within a week,” he said. Dave, who uses 60 per cent coarse grade peat in his compost mix, summed up: “It’s ridiculous. There’s got to be a place for peat for plants that need it. I stopped hybridizing two years ago. “I don’t see the point if I can’t get the stuff to grow them in. “I used to do 100 crosses a year but now I can’t see any future. “We are the only country in the world that’s talking about banning peat. All the rest are discussing extracting it from sustainable sources.” Read more at
  9. As it turns, we are more likely to ban peat use after leaving the EU. If we stayed in the EU, a ban on peat might have run foul of the EU anti-competition laws. "An England-only ban on peat would not be possible under EU law, Defra's peat-reduction task force chair Dr Alan Knight has acknowledged."
  10. Heres a quote from a Disa nursery, "We do use peat as a growing media. We have tried other composts over the years and have not found them satisfactory. Experimenting continues but if we lose peat it is probable that this amazing collection of Disas will be lost."
  11. Getting back to peat for the moment, most of the trials that seem to have been done seem to be with sarracenia, which frankly are pretty easy to grow, i have self sown sarracenia seeds coming up in my strawberry tub for example. How many trials have been done with sundews, nepenthes and other genera?
  12. I think to put this hypocrisy into perspective, anyone driving around in a diesel car, has done far more damage to CP habitat than the average cp horticulturist. EU diesel is currently upto about 7% biodiesel. Much of that biodiesel arrives in the form of palm oil from asia. The are several bio-refineries in europe, I can think of two offhand. One is in venice and the other in sweden, there are probably several others that im not familiar with. An average size processing unit for bio-refining of about 60,000 barrels/day capacity requires an area of tropical rainforest to be cut down and planted with monoculture palm oil plantations of about 10,000 hectares, for each processing unit. I look forward to the CPS committee campaining for the reduction in palm oil importation into europe as is there duty as leaders of a charitable organisation aimed at protecting cp habitat. (And if any of you drive diesels, it's time you stopped).
  13. To be correct, the reality is most of the UK peat bogs were drained for agriculture or forestry long ago, not for peat extraction and certainly not for horticultural reasons. Currently only 0.3% of UK peat bogs are being commercially extracted. If you really want to help CP's and the environment in general stop using anything with Palm Oil in it, which is almost everything these days, from toothpaste and shampoo to biodiesel.
  14. I might be stocking up with a few bales in the near future,
  15. David, i do appreciate the warning, really. Yes lots of growers use coir, all thailand orchid growers do, but there coir is washed in fresh water, not salt water. The problem here is you cant gaurantee that, even with the same supplie, from month to month. So every time we get a batch of coir, you have to soak it for a week and then take the tds reading, then rinse, soak for a few days etc etc. Are you really going to risk expensive plants on substrate that could be leaching salt for several weeks after you have potted it up? The composted bark sounds like a less risky alternative than coir.